I ran a draft of Cyclone greats with ChatGPT

GusMcCrae

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I ran a draft of Cyclone basketball players with ChatGPT. We did 20 rounds, two squads. I let the AI go first. I went second. Altogether I think this looks like a solid list of all time top 40.

Any glaring omissions? I can think of a dozen guys who can have been included. Homan, Vroman, Tyrus, Elmer Robinson, immediately come to mind being left out. I think I selected more legends than the AI did. I got some takeaways below, along with the picks, and the entire conversation I had with the AI.

Takeaways:

For #1 pick Chat went with Niang! Hey I think he’s my favorite Cyclone but don’t think I’d put him first in a draft. That said, maybe Hoiberg as my first pick is off, perhaps should have been Fizer, Halliburton, Tinsley, Hornacek, Grayer, or heck even the Roland Rocket. I think I could talk myself into any of those guys as the first pick.

The top 10, 5 vs 5 looks solid. I think a good argument could be made that it's the all time Cyclone top 10 right there. Though I think ChatGPT whiffed with its 5th pick of Willoughby and could have put my 6 pick Gary Thompson there or arguably three or four others. Might be splitting hairs at that point. Willoughby did have that 96 Big 8 tournament title.

I think beyond the 7-8th picks players look pretty interchangeable.

Looks like a good cross section of various eras of Cyclone hoops. Likely more guys from the past ten years in there, but obviously that’s been our most successful sustained period of success so it makes sense and not just recency bias.

For my 20th pick I really thought about Conrad Hawley or Greg Hester for the fun of it.

Is it too soon for to have put Milan on this list? (My 19th pick)

I was pretty impressed with ChatGPT’s little blurbs about each of its selections telling the importance of each player to Iowa State basketball.

ChatGPT’s 17th pick of Dean Uthoff is a steal. He totally slipped my mind.

Just a matter of operations ChatGPT really struggled once we got around pick 10 where it had troubles recalling its prior picks and wanted to double pick guys. At one point it tried picking 5 guys consecutively it already picked for one selection and needed to be redirected.

It also had issues keeping track at that point what round it was. At round 10 it thought we were done.

A few funny things. ChatGPT at one point picked Brock Purdy as a joke, even saying it was a joke and then made a real pick. Twice it picked some guys from the 1980s off LSU and Georgia Tech which was weird and I had to correct it.

Once done I had to manually transcribe it all and then correct the AI on the selections/order.

Team ChatGPT

  1. Georges Niang
  2. Jamaal Tinsley
  3. Jeff Grayer
  4. Victor Alexander
  5. Dedrick Willoughby
  6. Curtis Stinson
  7. DeAndre Kane
  8. Melvin Ejim
  9. Kelvin Cato
  10. Loren Meyer
  11. Rashon Clark
  12. Michael Nurse
  13. Jake Sullivan
  14. Royce White
  15. Diante Garrett
  16. Robert Jones
  17. Dean Uthoff
  18. Lindell Wigginton
  19. Jacy Holloway
  20. Paul Shirley

Team Me
  1. Fred Hoiberg
  2. Tyrese Haliburton
  3. Marcus Fizer
  4. Jeff Hornacek
  5. Monte Morris
  6. Gary Thompson
  7. Barry Stevens
  8. Tamin Lipsey
  9. Craig Brackins
  10. Will Clyburn
  11. Zaid Abdul-Aziz
  12. Chris Babb
  13. Naz Mitrou-Long
  14. Talen Horton-Tucker
  15. Matt Thomas
  16. Jameel McKay
  17. Deonte Burton
  18. Justus Thigpen
  19. Milan Momcilovic
  20. Lafester Rhodes
Here's my full conversation with ChatGPT if interested https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ahBx5Qjz5mqF_q4HW_D7-gBc0Q8Q5mz3oYahcT3hSbI/edit?usp=sharing
 

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pourcyne

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Lovin' the fact that ChatGPT must be about my age.

But the old coot forgot Jackson Vroman. Either that or he doesn't hate Jake Sullivan the way I used to.
 

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Royce went off the deep end, but I’m thinking either him or Fizer were the only two players in my lifetime I can remember that were just physically dominant and clearly the best player on the floor. I’m surprised he fell to 14. Admittedly I really only started watching sports as a kid around the time of the Fizer teams…

Your team probably has better shooting, but Team GPT has some NASTY ball handling and inside presence.
 

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CharGPTs top 5 picks would make a formidable lineup. Outside of Alexander, a little small, but if the big man can hold the post, that's a high scoring combination.
 
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Royce went off the deep end, but I’m thinking either him or Fizer were the only two players in my lifetime I can remember that were just physically dominant and clearly the best player on the floor. I’m surprised he fell to 14. Admittedly I really only started watching sports as a kid around the time of the Fizer teams…

Your team probably has better shooting, but Team GPT has some NASTY ball handling and inside presence.
No lie when Royce said he was the best on the court against Kentucky. He certainly had power but I can't remember anyone who looked so finesse and smooth when imposing their will and taking over a game.
 

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Chat GTP knows my philosophy on all time ISU teams… whichever team has Tinsley will win. He is the closest thing ISU has ever had to a cheat code.
 
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Anytime anyone puts together one of these lists, the first question becomes, are you picking each player at their peak to win a single game? Or are you picking a team to carry your program? Peak has to have Fizer, White and Tinsley. Program has to include Niang, Hoiberg, Morris.

ps - also, if you are talking 'peak', is their peak at ISU, or do you include pros? Hali is way too high for ISU time, but he's overall #1 if you include NBA peak.
 
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Any list that doesn't have Bob Jones as the top cyclone ever is bullsh*t, honestly.
 
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How does Robert Jones make this list and Jackson Vroman doesn’t? Will Blalock is also another snub.
 
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Anytime anyone puts together one of these lists, the first question becomes, are you picking each player at their peak to win a single game? Or are you picking a team to carry your program? Peak has to have Fizer, White and Tinsley. Program has to include Niang, Hoiberg, Morris.

ps - also, if you are talking 'peak', is their peak at ISU, or do you include pros? Hali is way too high for ISU time, but he's overall #1 if you include NBA peak.
I couldn't leave Grayer off both of those lists.

1st in total points, 4th in field goal percentage, 5th in rebounds, 6th in steals, 1st in free throws.
 
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I dont really understand your list. No Niang?? and Haliburton is certainly talented but career wise at ISU there are many that should be higher.
 

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Paul Shirley even if it is #20 is a good laugh. I have nothing against Paul but Homan, Vroman, probably Tyray Pearson and several others were better players than he was. Paul was nothing more than a good role player on a really good team and finished his college career with career averages of 7.5 ppg and 5.1 rpg

I'd leave any current player off the list as their ISU career has not ended yet so their legacy is still in progress and hard to compare against all-time greats just yet. Niang as #1 overall I don't agree with, Fizer is the most dominate player to wear the Cyclone uniform IMO but Niang definately is in the top 5-10 of all time greats. Not going to nitpick at draft order outside of the top few picks as you can argue
 
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