Hurricane Harvey

I have contacted some Ag Teachers I know in Southeastern Texas. Hopefully I will be able to hook up with an FFA Chapter down there and get my kids to help out anyway we can. I am not against donating money directly to the Red Cross, but I like to know how we are helping.
 
I don't have that info. I'm simply guessing perhaps the implication is the flooding of this storm changes the geography of the Houston area permanently. Perhaps like standing water that never goes away, etc. The bottom line is nobody knows because, outside of southeast Asia which deals with these kinds of storms on a yearly basis, nobody knows what long-term effects this kind of storm will do to the geography of the area in which it hits.


ok, that's what I was thinking - water in new places and land washing away.
 
So, stream of consciousness thoughts...

1) After the majority of the rain is finished, how long will it take for the waters to recede?
2) I see the pleas for donations to the Red Cross, which, I think, mostly helps private citizens. I'm wondering about damage done to government entities/properties and businesses, and how much it will cost to fix those places. Roads, highways, and interstates. Sidewalks, public parks. Schools. Federal/state/local government buildings. Libraries. Grocery stores and gas stations. Radio and TV stations. (There's a tweet I saw early this morning from a meteorologist at KHOU where the flooding was coming into the ground floor of the station, and he said it rose a foot in 15 minutes)

That's what's boggling my mind right now.


there was a map showing that fewer than 1/6th of the people in the areas affected have flood insurance so there's that too.

I'm really not sure on how long it'll take water to recede. Part of the problem is that the Houston area is very flat so it's not flowing downstream/out at the rate it might somewhere else. I imagine they'll have stagnant water for quite a while.
 
JFC don't some of these people watch T.V. The weather channel has been talking of feet of rain since Wednesday morning. Then the mayor told people not to evacuate, but stay in their homes. One dumb ### said we didn't know it was going to be this bad! Wife's niece and her family live in League City(ISU grads) and said they were going to ride it out.SMH
 
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JFC don't some of these people watch T.V. The weather channel has been talking of feet of rain since Wednesday morning. Then the mayor told people not to evacuate, but stay in their homes. One dumb ### said we didn't know it was going to be this bad! Wife's niece and her family live in League City(ISU grads) and said they were going to ride it out.SMH


Mayor was in a tough spot because putting 6 million people on the road hours before landfall wasn't going to go well either.
 
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JFC don't some of these people watch T.V. The weather channel has been talking of feet of rain since Wednesday morning. Then the mayor told people not to evacuate, but stay in their homes. One dumb ### said we didn't know it was going to be this bad! Wife's niece and her family live in League City(ISU grads) and said they were going to ride it out.SMH

To be fair, we had people on this board, after the hurricane had already hit, saying 'wow, yet another overrated storm'.

If people who are seeing everything even after this has hit are dismissing the storm, easy to see how people go 'i didnt know it was going to be this bad'.
 
Mayor was in a tough spot because putting 6 million people on the road hours before landfall wasn't going to go well either.
That is why you are elected to handle the tough situations. He could have ordered people to at least start evacuations, specially those areas that have are prone to flooding.
 
That is why you are elected to handle the tough situations. He could have ordered people to at least start evacuations, specially those areas that have are prone to flooding.

THe entire town is flooding, along with nearby areas. I don't see how evacuating 5-10M ppl works. Where do they go? Do they leave last week based on a forecast? Once it started raining, it's too late, you can't have the highways as parking lots.

 
JFC don't some of these people watch T.V. The weather channel has been talking of feet of rain since Wednesday morning. Then the mayor told people not to evacuate, but stay in their homes. One dumb ### said we didn't know it was going to be this bad! Wife's niece and her family live in League City(ISU grads) and said they were going to ride it out.SMH

Potentially more lives will be saved by 6 million people not clogging the highways when the storm hits. It's a tough decision that he had to make, but I think he made the right one. There was a large amount of people that died in New Orleans from that. About 80 of the 140 people that died during Hurricane Rita died from non-hurricane related things, like heat exhaustion from being stuck on the highway, accidents, a bus caught fire, etc.
 
The storm intensified so suddenly I just don't know how it could have been adequately prepared for. It was a tropical depression Wednesday night. That's 48 hours before it landed. The models weren't even able to keep up. By the time a new one came out, it was already at a lower pressure and stronger intensity.
 
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Potentially more lives will be saved by 6 million people not clogging the highways when the storm hits. It's a tough decision that he had to make, but I think he made the right one. There was a large amount of people that died in New Orleans from that. About 80 of the 140 people that died during Hurricane Rita died from non-hurricane related things, like heat exhaustion from being stuck on the highway, accidents, a bus caught fire, etc.


Rita is what I've seen mentioned the most.
 
the other problem was that they DID want people on the coast to evacuate and that means a lot of people on the roads already heading north.
 
I think the only way to do a mass evacuation would be area by area or something like that.
It's still way too many people on the highways, and you'd have to start days ahead of time, and I don't know where those people go, but a phased evacuation would be the only way even to attempt that mission.
 
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there was a map showing that fewer than 1/6th of the people in the areas affected have flood insurance so there's that too.

I'm really not sure on how long it'll take water to recede. Part of the problem is that the Houston area is very flat so it's not flowing downstream/out at the rate it might somewhere else. I imagine they'll have stagnant water for quite a while.

I lot of the flooded areas are likely outside of mapped floodplains. Reminder that flood insurance isn't just an add on for people living in designated floodplains. Okay, not for me personally as I live at the top of a hill, but there are a lot of homeowners who think they are not at risk because they aren't next to a river floodplain or something and just focus on overbank river flood threats.

Here's a snapshot of the center metro mapping.

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I lot of the flooded areas are likely outside of mapped floodplains. Reminder that flood insurance isn't just an add on for people living in designated floodplains. Okay, not for me personally as I live at the top of a hill, but there are a lot of homeowners who think they are not at risk because they aren't next to a river floodplain or something and just focus on overbank river flood threats.

Here's a snapshot of the center metro mapping.

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They just mentioned on the news as well that flooding is more likely in areas like Houston that have less vegetation to soak up water due to all of the development/concrete.

Obviously this magnitude of water from Harvey is going to flood pretty much anywhere; just thinking of how a 'flood plain' is even more risky when it's made worse by population growth.