Hurricane Harvey

the other problem was that they DID want people on the coast to evacuate and that means a lot of people on the roads already heading north.
And another problem too is where are those people going to go? I was reading an article from the BBC where they were talking to people in Rockport, and one woman said she didn't have family anywhere else and didn't have any money. When that's the case, where are you going to go? I guess you could decide to just hit the road and figure the rest out later, but I have a hard time faulting her in that situation.
 
And another problem too is where are those people going to go? I was reading an article from the BBC where they were talking to people in Rockport, and one woman said she didn't have family anywhere else and didn't have any money. When that's the case, where are you going to go? I guess you could decide to just hit the road and figure the rest out later, but I have a hard time faulting her in that situation.
I can't remember exactly, but I think only half of the Katrina people who left NO returned back home after a year. They scattered all over the US. FEMA just put them on buses and shipped them to other cities and basically told them good luck. Lack of affordable housing was a problem, so most will probably end up in larger cities like Chicago, NYC, LA, etc. But you can assume with the number of people being displaced in Houston, they will scatter to nearly every state.
 
And another problem too is where are those people going to go? I was reading an article from the BBC where they were talking to people in Rockport, and one woman said she didn't have family anywhere else and didn't have any money. When that's the case, where are you going to go? I guess you could decide to just hit the road and figure the rest out later, but I have a hard time faulting her in that situation.

This. Easy for people with resources and options to second guess and get all critical of the people that really do not have real options. And like a lot of floods, this is likely flooding the neighborhoods with the least resources.
 
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Rita is what I've seen mentioned the most.
IIRC Rita came shortly after Katrina, and where Katrina made landfall at NO and rolled west along the coast toward Houston, Rita hit Houston dead on.

My nieces live in Spring & The Woodlands, north of Houston. They were without power for three weeks after Rita. Right now, due to heavy rainfall and saturated ground, their lawns are both lakes, and the one in Spring has an inch of water inside. They still have power though.
 
Sounds like they are opening 2 dams to release some water and the water is going into the bayou that runs right through the middle of Houston. These dams were built in 1945 and have never had to release water before, until now.
 
Sounds like they are opening 2 dams to release some water and the water is going into the bayou that runs right through the middle of Houston. These dams were built in 1945 and have never had to release water before, until now.


was watching a news update and they were saying that on Fri or early Saturday, their goal was to not have to open those gates.

Took about 36 hours for that to happen. And the storm is heading back to the gulf and then straight back at Houston.
 
I think the only way to do a mass evacuation would be area by area or something like that.
It's still way too many people on the highways, and you'd have to start days ahead of time, and I don't know where those people go, but a phased evacuation would be the only way even to attempt that mission.

Yeah, I was surprised how much the eclipse traffic alone made some interstates look like a disaster movie. People would have been stuck on the interstate.
 
Yeah, I was surprised how much the eclipse traffic alone made some interstates look like a disaster movie. People would have been stuck on the interstate.

You would have to find a way to close off the inbound lanes and allow both sides of the interstate to be one-way out. Obviously sounds more feasible typing it out on here than actually implementing it, but food for thought.
 
You would have to find a way to close off the inbound lanes and allow both sides of the interstate to be one-way out. Obviously sounds more feasible typing it out on here than actually implementing it, but food for thought.

Designated hurricane evacuation routes are already set up to do this in Texas. Interesting sight to see upwards of 10 lanes of traffic headed in the same direction (or parked hoping to go that direction).
 
Having dealt with flooding issues in Cedar Rapids, I couldn't imagine what the people in Houston are having to deal with. What I can't wrap my head around is, they have another week of rain coming. Where is all this water going to go?
 
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Man, I wish I could help more....It's going to be a incredible somber dark and scary night for many families tonight in Houston area. I live in Austin and we've been getting are share of rain, power outage, flooding, and rock slides, but Houston has to deal with all of those plus moccasin snakes, alligators, power line failures, exhausted supply of helpers, and a few more days of compounding rain.

I'll might be able to provide some unique insight going forward as my company has a contract with FEMA and I'm the lead pilot so it sounds like I may be over their for awhile within the coming days or weeks doing some aerial mapping, inspections, and surveying.
 
Having dealt with flooding issues in Cedar Rapids, I couldn't imagine what the people in Houston are having to deal with. What I can't wrap my head around is, they have another week of rain coming. Where is all this water going to go?

The ocean, if they can get more favorable winds. The issues with huge amounts of rain are being compounded by the onshore flow of the wind piling the water up in the bay and bayous.
 
Man, I wish I could help more....It's going to be a incredible somber dark and scary night for many families tonight in Houston area. I live in Austin and we've been getting are share of rain, power outage, flooding, and rock slides, but Houston has to deal with all of those plus moccasin snakes, alligators, power line failures, exhausted supply of helpers, and a few more days of compounding rain.

I'll might be able to provide some unique insight going forward as my company has a contract with FEMA and I'm the lead pilot so it sounds like I may be over their for awhile within the coming days or weeks doing some aerial mapping, inspections, and surveying.


don't forget floating fire ant colonies. Just read about that. How lovely.
 
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You would have to find a way to close off the inbound lanes and allow both sides of the interstate to be one-way out. Obviously sounds more feasible typing it out on here than actually implementing it, but food for thought.
I think the problem here was time. Given enough time you can move the people (I think there's something like 2.4 million in Houston proper, closer to 6 with the whole metro). The logistics are staggering, would require a huge amount of manpower, clear communications between all groups, etc. Incident Command Structure (ICS) is how it's done, but time was the enemy here.

If they had attempted to implement an evacuation, but didn't get people off the highways by the time the flooding hit, the carnage would likely have been worse. Although, it's hard to say how bad it's going to get.
 

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