Did JP self report WM's Improprieties?
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What is your point? Those are good qualities to have in an AD. Sell your ideas, and convince people to find fault in ideas that you don't like.
Ames- What do you want-good practices of good games? I know what I want and I miss those days. JP screwed up badly by meddling in year 3 and not giving Morgan at least year 4, and we've paid a horrible price in basketball ever since. Those are the facts in spite of any rumors and unjustified opinions.
If you went to a WM practice and a Mac one they aren't even comparable. I've been to pickup games at the rec that are more organized than a WM practice.
With Wayne you could see he was letting things slide and it needed to stop before it became a big problem. I haven't heard if he got any warnings and ignored them.
I did have the opportunity during the start of the 2004-05 season to go to a WM basketball practice, and it looked fairly well-organized to me, in all honesty. I had an "in", so WM approached me when I came in and shook my hand. Very likeable, very friendly guy.
Just as an aside, for everyone who thinks WM was too soft on his players, etc.... I can tell you firsthand from seeing it in person that he absolutely RIPPED Curtis Stinson for not playing through a whistle during a half-court drill. Screamed at him and dropped the F-bomb even.
With Wayne you could see he was letting things slide and it needed to stop before it became a big problem. I haven't heard if he got any warnings and ignored them.
I did have the opportunity during the start of the 2004-05 season to go to a WM basketball practice, and it looked fairly well-organized to me, in all honesty. I had an "in", so WM approached me when I came in and shook my hand. Very likeable, very friendly guy.
Just as an aside, for everyone who thinks WM was too soft on his players, etc.... I can tell you firsthand from seeing it in person that he absolutely RIPPED Curtis Stinson for not playing through a whistle during a half-court drill. Screamed at him and dropped the F-bomb even.
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Here is why I heard there was such a problem with WM...APR had us very close to some big punishments. I have also heard that as long as the numbers keep going up the punishments will stay away.
NCAA Academic Reform - NCAA.org
The numbers;
09-10 - Not yet published
08-09 - Couldn't find or not yet published
07-08 - 877
06-07 - 869
05-06 - 852
04-05 - 891
03-04 - 846
and here was a section from the link about the punishments
Teams with APR scores below 900 face additional sanctions under the historical penalty structure, now in its third year
- First-year sanction is a public warning letter for poor performance.
- Second-year sanctions include restrictions on scholarships and practice time.
- Third-year sanctions result in loss of postseason competition for the team (such as a bowl game or the men’s basketball tournament).
- Four consecutive years of poor academic performance results in restricted membership status for an institution. This means the school will not be considered a Division I college or university.
If these are correct and we were close to a big penalty it makes sense to me why this wasn't used as a public reason for changing coaches. Surely someone on here knows more about all this than I do....I was just curious so I looked around on the NCAA website, I still don't really understand the whole thing.
NCAA Academic Reform - NCAA.org
The numbers;
09-10 - Not yet published
08-09 - Couldn't find or not yet published
07-08 - 877
06-07 - 869
05-06 - 852
04-05 - 891
03-04 - 846
and here was a section from the link about the punishments
Teams with APR scores below 900 face additional sanctions under the historical penalty structure, now in its third year
- First-year sanction is a public warning letter for poor performance.
- Second-year sanctions include restrictions on scholarships and practice time.
- Third-year sanctions result in loss of postseason competition for the team (such as a bowl game or the men’s basketball tournament).
- Four consecutive years of poor academic performance results in restricted membership status for an institution. This means the school will not be considered a Division I college or university.
If these are correct and we were close to a big penalty it makes sense to me why this wasn't used as a public reason for changing coaches. Surely someone on here knows more about all this than I do....I was just curious so I looked around on the NCAA website, I still don't really understand the whole thing.
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ISYChippewa- Thanks for the info. I've heard from others that Morgan's practices weren't the free for all affairs the Morgan bashers have tried to make us believe. And didn't Morgan not start Stinson in a big game against highly ranked Kansas for not practicing hard enough (a game we won by the way). Wow, what a terrible disciplinarian.
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Pyramid schemes look pretty good for a while also. Doesn't mean they won't collapse at some point. Good games for a few years isn't good games forever.
Unless you leaving out some details I don't see that you have had similar in person contact to tell us your first person opinion. You have a friend that talked to an assistant coach from one of the programs and that's somehow so good that you can talk about it, but I using rumors and unjustified opinions when I'm talking first person. Please.
If I ran my company the way I saw that team being ran I'd be out of business in no time. That's not a rumor or an unjustified opinion. I'm not a BB coach, but I have had actual contact with both coaches and both programs so I can form my own opinion.
I have no problem with Wayne. If I'm ever in the market for Directv I will stop by and talk to him.
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well, I can't fault you there. FASTCO makes a quality lemonade mix. Maybe Pollard should be on the hotseat.
With a starting line-up in year 4 of Stinson, Blaylock, Clark, and an experienced Jiri and Taggart, I don't think the program was going down, and in fact that line-up a year older had a great chance of getting in the NCAA and doing well imo. I didn't see any practices (though I find it hard to believe Archibald would be involved in coaching unorganized practices from what I know about him), but whether I believe you or the people saying Morgan's practices were not unorganized, my question to you remains the same. What do you want, good practices and bad games, or bad practices (if that's your opinion) and good games beating ranked teams and having post season success. I've stated what I prefer.
So again you have second hand info and I'm supposed to think that's better than my first hand knowledge?
As of right now I'll take losing from a coach that does things the right way. Ask me again after next year. Next year I might be ready for anything; maybe even cheating and paying players. Winning is fun so who knows. Maybe we could start hiring players parents to help coach.
If I am not mistaken hudd........isn't there a four year delay in these ratings. In other words, the class of 00-01' doesn't get an APR rating until 04-05', correct?
When I was clicking on the historical data links, it listed 2008 but listed the score from 06-07, I do think it takes a four year rolling average to make the numbers though (so each year does get updated). Very confusing thing, IMO, just know I have heard that it was a real issue for ISU and one that if not stopped would have had fans much more upset than just firing WM.
*Looked at the link again, for the 2009 APR which is listed as 07-08 in my numbers above it states that it includes 07-08, 06-07, 05-06 and 04-05. So the numbers are updated each year along with the previous three years.
*Looked at the link again, for the 2009 APR which is listed as 07-08 in my numbers above it states that it includes 07-08, 06-07, 05-06 and 04-05. So the numbers are updated each year along with the previous three years.
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