David Irving to DT

[CykoAGR]

I get why some are worried about this move, especially due to the timing. It does seem odd and probably more of a “forced” move than anything else. Lets face it if we had Ndomakong Suh (sp) inside I doubt Irving would be making this move but the coaches are playing the hand they were dealt.

The coaches seem to be very happy with the guys that they have at end and maybe Irving wasn’t slated to start or even really play all that much at this stage in the game. However if you look inside with the loss of Bevins and with what the staff said are three of the other DT’s “dinged” up then they are looking to find bodies that can contribute.

I don’t really see how this is different than what they are doing on the offensive line. There are a few positions open and depending on who emerges as the starters a player or two could shuffle around. The result is that they want the best 5 guys on the OL to play. Period. If that means that one guy is out of position but is still better than the other options then so be it.

I just see this as the same as what’s happening on the other side of the ball. ISU is thin and inexperienced to begin with on the DL especially at DT. Now add in the fact that there are 3 guys “dinged” up and the coaches made a move of necessity.

Lets all hope that for David’s sake and the sake of this football team that it was a good decision and that it will end up helping the team.

 

[Erik4Cy]

Technically, no- but Moorehead, Leaders, Curvey, & Berryman were a solid group. Undersized but tenacious.

That group was fun to watch. Lots of QB pressure compared to recently. Also having Tim Dobbins @ LB, Jackson & Hicks at CB and Paris/Moser at safety postions made that D group very tough.

 

[BigLame]

If Irving is more productive as a DT, then the move will be a good one. CW's comments & Irving's own are interesting:

Irving has already experienced a little bit of success at the position too, so that is helping his confidence early on in this transition.

“Actually, now that I’m at defensive tackle I’ve gotten more sacks this camp than I have at defensive end,” Irving said. “I feel like I’m closer to the quarterback now and I don’t have to stand as far.”

As CykoAGR also stated, maybe Irving was going to play a more limited role as a DE. As a DT, especially considering we have 3 in the rotation nicked up or dealing with injury, I believe there are fewer responsibilities & reads as there are at DE. Think Shane Burnham mentioned that in an earlier story on Coe and how timing-wise the DT positions have the fewest reads & responsibilties of any position on defense. If I were a player and making a change like this lead to me helping the team while also increasing the number of snaps I played, it would be a no-brainer to me too, and by all appearances Irving is taking that approach, which is good.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Gotta agree. People thinking that moving a 6'7" DE that weighs < 280 lbs to interior DT less than three weeks before the season starts is a positive development is a stretch. Sounds like staff thinks there are legitimate depth/injury issues at DT. Not good news.

Easier to make that transition today and not during the season.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Its not like he was a sack machine at DE, he already admitted he has more sacks at DT than he ever did at DE.

 

[CYUL8R]

I trust the coaching staff. I highly doubt that this was a simple 'desperation' move and more trying to realize where Irving should produce the most chaos for the other team. Rhoads and Burnham are defensive minded coaches - so I'll defer judgement until halftime on Aug 31st :spinny:

 

[ISUFan22]

The key thing to me is if Irving was looking to be very strong at DE and would start - he would not be moving inside. I can only assume he wasn't going to earn a starting role, would be in rotation at DE and they are moving him inside for DT depth.

I don't see any other explanation.

 

[Aclone]

The key thing to me is if Irving was looking to be very strong at DE and would start - he would not be moving inside. I can only assume he wasn't going to earn a starting role, would be in rotation at DE and they are moving him inside for DT depth.

I don't see any other explanation.

Why? Because the explanation that CW and the coaches gave was just too simple?

 

[ChiefCy]

I don't recall anyone going too nuts on predictions for the kid, we were just, as fans, excited for his potential. I remember Rhoads saying he was the recruit he was most excited about out of that class, so of course fans were going to follow his lead. He was also pressed into action a year before he really should have out of necessity and has been injured for 2 straight springs. Give the kid a break, we don't have any idea why this move is made but its most likely, as others have said, to cross train him to build up our DT depth in case he needs to slide over.

As far as his height, the Jacksonville Jaguars had a pretty good DT tandem a few years ago with Marcus Stroud and John Henderson. 6'6 and 6'7 respectively and both probowlers.

I seem to remember a coach saying Jerimiah George would be a captain someday. I think some doubted that a couple years ago.

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

Why? Because the explanation that CW and the coaches gave was just too simple?

Oh come now. You know they never tell the truth to the media. It has to be the opposite of whatever they say.

Irving missed spring practice. He needed the extra work. It's not a big mystery why he was the one they chose to move. Especially with Morrissey playing well (unless that is a lie too).

 

[RustShack]

CPR said they had been thinking about making the move for long time, and see injury at DT as an opportunity to make the switch.

 

[RustShack]

@CycloneFB: Cory Morrissey: "Irving is a great player, so with him moving inside will allow us to have another great player on the field." #Cyclones

Sounds like he wasn't gonna play at DE much... Which is great that we have guys better now than a starter last year.

 

[rholtgraves]

Seems like the move was more out of necessity and not necessarily a permanent one. He was the best option to move inside out of the DEs. Actually probably the only option. 6'7 DT is definitely interesting.

 

[ISUFan22]

Why? Because the explanation that CW and the coaches gave was just too simple?

You've never heard the term "coach speak", have you?

 

[Tre4ISU]

Ok so there's one player but I'm talking about the unit as a whole. We have not had average defensive line play since Rhoads has been here for a consistent amount of time.

What defines average defensive line play. I would like to know the rubric we are grading off of.

 

[Omaha Cy]

The DE position (2-deep) has all its depth as RS sophs at minimum. The DT 2nd team depth (pre-Coe/Irving switch) had everyone as RS freshmen. YIKES!!!

Those DE's have 1 more year under YM in the S&C program, and DT is an incredibly physical position to play. Plugging in some well conditioned strong bodies such as Coe and Irving seems to make some sense to me at this point.

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

You've never heard the term "coach speak", have you?

So Irving himself is just outright lying about the sacks?

 

[ISUFan22]

So Irving himself is just outright lying about the sacks?

Because that's what I said, right? Sacks in practice are one thing. Sacks in a game are completely different.

I want Irving to excel - I just don't see shuffling him from DE as reflecting positive on his performance thus far.

 

[Hilton77]

I hope they come out and say what the injuries have been to cousins, woods, and krick. Hopefully they are not out for the rest of camp

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

Because that's what I said, right? Sacks in practice are one thing. Sacks in a game are completely different.

I want Irving to excel - I just don't see shuffling him from DE as reflecting positive on his performance thus far.

Well, he hasn't played a game as a DT yet.

So, just assume the worst and tell everyone to do the same.