Brad Penrith

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I don't have the link but I heard he got the boot. They messed up by giving him an extension last year.
 

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No mess up at all. I don't believe that the extension had any additional buyout costs and they needed to do the extension to let people know that they were not going to drop the program. (they had been rumored to be considering this following baseball being cut).

The extension likely worked as Penrith (good guy btw) went out beat out ISU for Weatherman and Iowa for Wolfensperger (sp?). Without the extension, it could be debated if they get those kids
 

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Having lived in CF for a few years until last August, I think they made a mistake. Unless of course they are going to start spending money on the wrestling program. A lot of the locals didn't like him and only looked at results compared to the glory days of UNI wrestling. Nobody wants to take into consideration that in the recent past a number of schools have upped their commitment to the sport while UNI has not.
 

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They gave him an extension then fired him? That's a Pollard-esque move right there.
 

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Someone move this to In State rivals. Penrith's extension was for recruiting purposes. The agreement had no teeth. It had a clause that said if he was fired before March 31st he got $100k so they waited till after march 31st to do the deed.
 

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No mess up at all. I don't believe that the extension had any additional buyout costs and they needed to do the extension to let people know that they were not going to drop the program. (they had been rumored to be considering this following baseball being cut).

The extension likely worked as Penrith (good guy btw) went out beat out ISU for Weatherman and Iowa for Wolfensperger (sp?). Without the extension, it could be debated if they get those kids

It wasn't Penrith beating out Iowa or ISU for these two, it was UNI offered them more money. If they could have gotten the same amount of scholarship money from either Iowa or ISU they would have been a Hawk or Clone and not a Panther.
 

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Having lived in CF for a few years until last August, I think they made a mistake. Unless of course they are going to start spending money on the wrestling program. A lot of the locals didn't like him and only looked at results compared to the glory days of UNI wrestling. Nobody wants to take into consideration that in the recent past a number of schools have upped their commitment to the sport while UNI has not.

This is a great post.

To get the wrestlers he did without a big recruiting budget speaks volumes.

The question is, does this mark the beginning of the end for wrestling at UNI?
 

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This is a great post.

To get the wrestlers he did without a big recruiting budget speaks volumes.

The question is, does this mark the beginning of the end for wrestling at UNI?

That's the first thing I thought of this morning after reading only the DMReg headline. UNI has a lot more $ invested in its athletics department than ISU or UI, and they've as much as said that if they follow the regents directive to eliminate that funding, something(s) will have to go. Wrestling easily could be one of those things.
 

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It wasn't Penrith beating out Iowa or ISU for these two, it was UNI offered them more money. If they could have gotten the same amount of scholarship money from either Iowa or ISU they would have been a Hawk or Clone and not a Panther.

Point well taken and correct. I was not very clear on that.
 

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As it has been stated earlier, I don't think they can drop wrestling without impacting their status with the NCAA. What I think this is is the spineless AD had to do something to appease some of the locals who seem to think that a high school wrestling room will get it done at this level. With the state of their facilities I don't think they can do better than Brad at this time.

Let it be known that I know Brad, my kids and his played together daily, so I'm a little biased on this one. I know for a fact that he wasn't paid all that well considering and could make more as an assistant at many schools. My hope is that he lands on his feet.
 

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As it has been stated earlier, I don't think they can drop wrestling without impacting their status with the NCAA. What I think this is is the spineless AD had to do something to appease some of the locals who seem to think that a high school wrestling room will get it done at this level. With the state of their facilities I don't think they can do better than Brad at this time.

Let it be known that I know Brad, my kids and his played together daily, so I'm a little biased on this one. I know for a fact that he wasn't paid all that well considering and could make more as an assistant at many schools. My hope is that he lands on his feet.

If you know him and want to really be ******, wait till you hear how it went down then you'll really want to change the wording of your first paragraph.
 

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As it has been stated earlier, I don't think they can drop wrestling without impacting their status with the NCAA. What I think this is is the spineless AD had to do something to appease some of the locals who seem to think that a high school wrestling room will get it done at this level. With the state of their facilities I don't think they can do better than Brad at this time.

Let it be known that I know Brad, my kids and his played together daily, so I'm a little biased on this one. I know for a fact that he wasn't paid all that well considering and could make more as an assistant at many schools. My hope is that he lands on his feet.

I did not see any post related to the NCAA and the possibility of UNI dropping wrestling, but I overlook things time to time. Could you elaborate a little for me on this?

Dannen did drop baseball, so I can see wrestling being on the chopping block.
 

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I did not see any post related to the NCAA and the possibility of UNI dropping wrestling, but I overlook things time to time. Could you elaborate a little for me on this?

Dannen did drop baseball, so I can see wrestling being on the chopping block.

No, it really can't be on the chopping block. To be an NCAA D1 participant, you need to have a minimum of 6 men's sports (actually, it's either 7M/7F or 6M/8F). UNI has 6 right now. I guess that they could REPLACE wrestling with another men's sport, but what other sport uses less than 9.9 scholarships?

The major problem here is that the BOR wants UNI to stop taking $4+M from the general fund eventually and that's 40% of their budget. If they can't cut any sports, then the obvious answer is to drop football to nonscholarship. And that would kill revenues. If UNI is going to avoid joining Drake in the Horizon League, they are going to have to not only raise revenue (double FB season ticket prices?), but also cut expenses (cut salaries, eliminate some coaching and support positions). This could be a case of Dannen firing a fairly high-paid coach to bring in someone he can get for $50k.
 

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No, it really can't be on the chopping block. To be an NCAA D1 participant, you need to have a minimum of 6 men's sports (actually, it's either 7M/7F or 6M/8F). UNI has 6 right now. I guess that they could REPLACE wrestling with another men's sport, but what other sport uses less than 9.9 scholarships?

The major problem here is that the BOR wants UNI to stop taking $4+M from the general fund eventually and that's 40% of their budget. If they can't cut any sports, then the obvious answer is to drop football to nonscholarship. And that would kill revenues. If UNI is going to avoid joining Drake in the Horizon League, they are going to have to not only raise revenue (double FB season ticket prices?), but also cut expenses (cut salaries, eliminate some coaching and support positions). This could be a case of Dannen firing a fairly high-paid coach to bring in someone he can get for $50k.

That's why I like coming to CF. I learn something new every day. Thanks for the excellent explanation, Frak.

And I wholeheartedly agree with your last paragraph -- with the last sentence being the kicker.
 

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Thanks Frak, the folks at UNI want to sit at the $50 blackjack table when they can barely afford the $10 tables and should probably just stay at the $5.
 

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Seriously this is not about cutting wrestling. Whether any of us agree or not I think it's clearly about UNI (the President, the AD, the boosters) thinking that they ought to be able to compete at a higher level than they are. The problem wrestling has is one of a perception of the program versus the success of fb and bb over the past couple years. It's too bad though if he redshirted guys that may have made them more successful this year (at the expense of long term program success) only to get canned. Wrestling is one of the few sports where a coach can literally red shirt an entire successfully and have it really impact things the next year.