That was one of my first games at the jack as a kid. Night game even, I believe. I remember watching that clusterf*ck with my old man cussing up a storm thinking I had a blast that day, why is he so mad. I COMPLETELY get it now. I remember that ball going through the uprights and we were standing at the top of our section on the concourse so we could get out of their faster.
Big 12 Expansion (new thread)
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If the networks are viewing 4 mil as some watermark, then the league should include Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Florida, OU, UT, A&M, Notre Dame, Michigan, Penn State and Wisconsin and USC. Everybody else in 4 mil games is typically just along for the ride.
Now there is a solid tier of teams that help them get there, such as Oregon, Nebraska, Oklahoma St., Iowa, ISU, Auburn, UNC, and a few others.
No, it'd be just like adding more minutes to the 4th quarter play clock -- field position, down/distance, everything is maintained. First time to score in extended period wins.
Like any other concept, a person could find flaws, but I think it's worth exploring.
Essentially the same thing. My memory is a bit foggy of Jack Trice in the 90's- but I don't recall either end zone being extremely noisy. Students would have been on the east side. Heck I believe we basically had portable bleachers in both end zones with Jacobson suites on the north.
That wouldn’t push the teams to win in the 4th. If you are at the 50, you would have no urgency to get into FG range. You would probably want it to go to OT so you can just finish it then if you have 2 minutes on the clock.
I prefer the current college and NFL to the straight sudden death. Now that football rules and approach to officiating, particularly in the NFL, is so skewed toward helping the offense it was almost always just a question of who won the coin toss.
I disagree with the idea that the regular season means less. The only games with less meaning in a 12 vs 4 team playoff is a case where you’ve got like a top 5 matchup where loser is out. With 12 that game becomes a seeding game rather than a win and in type game. With a 4 team playoff by the last couple of weeks only a tiny percentage of games have any CFP implications. Now in the last couple of weeks probably teams 3-20 are playing for a CFP spot.
A shift to 12 from 4 makes a handful of games go from do or die to a matter of seeding. So the stakes go down for that very small number of games. But in return there several-fold more games that have CFP implications.
I agree that more teams could have meaningful late season because there are more 2 or 3 loss teams that will be fighting for the final couple of playoff spots.
But over the entire 13 week season, fewer playoff teams means greater importance of going through the regular season with 0 or 1 loss. Heck, depending on how the rest of the season plays out- with a 4 team Playoff structure Ohio State could have cost themselves a playoff berth by losing to Oregon in week 2.
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Look at baseball. The addition of the second wild card means a bunch of teams in the NL are playing meaningful games still when, without it, the 4 playoff teams (and the 11 who are out) would already be close to set.
Expanded playoff will work like this on a larger scale. We are already seeing how 4 teams isn’t good enough and a bunch of teams have no chance.
Still an open question to me what that expansion looks like because as it gets bigger, more stakeholders get into it (devaluing it for the ones who would have made a smaller one anyway). Wouldn’t shock me a bit to see some leagues push for a 6- or 8-team playoff with slots reserved for the 4 highest ranked conference champions. Why make life easier for the B12/AAC/Mtn West when that makes life harder for you?
Look at baseball. The addition of the second wild card means a bunch of teams in the NL are playing meaningful games still when, without it, the 4 playoff teams (and the 11 who are out) would already be close to set.
Expanded playoff will work like this on a larger scale. We are already seeing how 4 teams isn’t good enough and a bunch of teams have no chance.
Still an open question to me what that expansion looks like because as it gets bigger, more stakeholders get into it (devaluing it for the ones who would have made a smaller one anyway). Wouldn’t shock me a bit to see some leagues push for a 6- or 8-team playoff with slots reserved for the 4 highest ranked conference champions. Why make life easier for the B12/AAC/Mtn West when that makes life harder for you?
Valid observation that falls within the "possible flaws" I noted. A sort of "we have all the time in the world." Maybe it makes urgency less relevant.
Perhaps I view it more as how teams will play safe in 4Q to play for overtime, since there's no difference w/ field position, momentum or anything that led to it .. then (in CFB format) you stop the game, flip a coin, get the shootout format and --- is that any better?
I am not a supporter of a 12 team Playoff in the next few years because over the last 5 years Alabama, Clemson, Georgia and Ohio State probably beat the 8 to 12th ranked team by 21 points seven out of ten games they plays. Probably makes sense to bump up to 8 teams for something like 5 years and then expand to 12.
A big benefit of an expanded playoff is Bama, OSU, Georgia and Clemson can pretty much sell recruits they will get the opportunity to play for a national title and they aren't lying. Expand to 12 teams and now 15+ teams now can sell that dream to recruits.
Give me a 12 team playoff where every conference champ gets a bid plus 2 wild cards. Top 4 get byes and you give all teams a legitimate shot. Also makes conference championships that much more important.
I agree on 8 teams. Still makes it tough to get in, 12 teams too many.
new nfl rule is great. Old nfl where it was “all important count toss” was idiotic. Count tosses should be meaningless.
college ot is somewhere in between. College ot isn’t fair to dominant defenses imho starting teams out in scoring position instead of earning the way there.
Before the latest re-alignment started, I was of the opinion that on Championship Week, the two highest ranked teams not in a championship game should play. The winner of that game and the winner of the seven highest ranked championship games would be in an 8 team playoff.
Technically, that would have meant that 16 teams had a shot at the national title.
Now I don't even know if there WILL be seven conferences left!
I've heard those rumors as well. If true, fairly ironic. A&M still gets arm twisted to vote OuT into the SEC, so now they are joined at the hip again. Then to make matters worse the conference they are in, the SEC, likely will not easily get 3, let alone 4 teams into a CFP. To top it all off the 12 team CFP idea is on hold for a time anyway.
If I was A&M I'd just be going, "They did it to us again", yet it is a bit their fault.
I love it. Sort of. If you can love these sorts of things.
