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SpokaneCY

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This UNI team was not that good. They do a great job of dictating the game & they made our QB be the 1 to beat us on 1 side of the ball & also were able to use their QB on the other side to seal the deal. We didn't force him to throw enough, but with short fields he didn't have to as much

Your points are in direct conflict. A bad UNI team did a great job of dictating the game.
 

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What if the key to all of Campbell's success was his OC at Toledo, which isn't at ISU now?

Manning, after game one, doesn't appear to know what he's doing yet, which isn't surprising since he's never been an OC before. Not sure a P5 program should be hiring a guy who has never been an OC before as their OC. We play in the Big 12, we should be able to get a VERY experienced OC in here.

JP hired CMC. CMC is a professional head coach and should be able to hire his staff.
 

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What if the key to all of Campbell's success was his OC at Toledo, which isn't at ISU now?

Manning, after game one, doesn't appear to know what he's doing yet, which isn't surprising since he's never been an OC before. Not sure a P5 program should be hiring a guy who has never been an OC before as their OC. We play in the Big 12, we should be able to get a VERY experienced OC in here.

I think the OC is maybe the last person you could blame for the performance of the offense. They didn't have many plays in the first half -- and the players would have screwed up a Briles offense in the second half.

That being said, I don't think our guys were ready, and maybe they should've had 3 hr practices instead of 90 minute practices. It is a long game though, and how this team finishes the year says more about Matt Campbell as a coach than how they started it.
 
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Not sure what Jamie could've done better. Campbell was a highly-sought-after coach with a very bright future. He brought in the best recruiting class in school history without even coaching a single game. Jamie did his job by hiring the best candidate available. Most national writers thought Campbell was too good for Iowa State.

Same thing with Gene Chizk, the media couldn't believe we hired him. It was considered a coup. Then when we hired Rhoads, it was considered we got the better end of the deal in the "Auburn Trade.". At the time, I don't think you can say JP has made bad decisions, in hindsight, you can say it was. But at the time the decision was made, they were all good.

The thing about Chizk though is I wonder what year 3 would have brought. A lot of people attribute Roads early success to his players.
 

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Do you expect him to predict the future and who's to say they haven't done the best of the options we had. You can't blame someone for making the home run hire.
His job is to hire someone to win. He has not done that. Therefore he has not done his job well.
 

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His job is to hire someone to win. He has not done that. Therefore he has not done his job well.
The point is if he has gotten people's dream choice most times and it still isn't working out maybe that says more about the job than the coaches.
 

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His job is to hire someone to win. He has not done that. Therefore he has not done his job well.

That's nice.

Is the ISU roster filled with CMC's players yet? No. Are there deficiencies with the roster that was left for him in his first year? Enormous ones.

So if ISU is lacking in areas that it takes to win, especially the offensive line (especially when it comes to run blocking) and the defensive front 7, would you like to explain to me in pinpoint detail how you can possibly fairly judge and critique whether CMC is doing his job well based on his very first game in his very first season here? That's right - you can't. Because when ALL of the cards are laid out on the table, your whiny ******** makes absolutely zero sense.

Don't even talk to me about how "well" CMC is doing his job until the end of year three when he actually has coached a full year where the majority of the roster is his players.
 

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The overreaction and inanity when I read CF never ceases to amaze me. I hope some of the hasty criticism and opinions expressed does not bleed into some of your personal life.

Also, while football is important let's not forget that running an athletic program is larger than football. Second, don't forget how much positive progress has occurred in Pollard's tenure- new or upgraded facilities, improved programs, etc. Football needs to be improved, BUT this is only the 1st year let alone game of a newly hired coaching staff and people are already jumping off the cliff.
 

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You mean like Mark Mangino? That worked out well...

Maybe Manning will figure it out. Maybe he'll be the second coming of Courtney messingham. Maybe it boils down to sloppy QB play once again.

All I know is that the only thing jp should be taking heat for is scheduling UNI, and scheduling them often. This game should only happen once every 10 years. Iowa State needs more games against the Western Illinois of the world


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You mean like Mark Mangino? That worked out well...

Maybe Manning will figure it out. Maybe he'll be the second coming of Courtney messingham. Maybe it boils down to sloppy QB play once again.

All I know is that the only thing jp should be taking heat for is scheduling UNI, and scheduling them often. This game should only happen once every 10 years. Iowa State needs more games against the Western Illinois of the world

I tend to agree with your assessment that a game with UNI should be every 10 years...Lets get real about this when Jamie's asst (I think) goes over to UNI, common sense tells you that Jamie is going to help the guy anyway he can..thus the contract for 7 more games stretching til 2025....

It will be interestin to see how the fanbase reacts to more losses (If uni keeps winning) ...I think the rivalry with uni does NOTHING to help us but it sure helps the uni athletic budget
 

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When this program has rid itself of the mentality of losing close games then the ship will turn...we lost to a top 5 FCS school that just wanted the win more..Put Campos. Dunning, Burton in this game on the Oline and we run the ball well and don't have to rely on JL to throw to win...but those guys left the team or are out..enter 3 brand new Oline who just played their very first Football game outside Hs and Juco and you get that result.

The culture of losing and losing close games is so deeply imbedded in existing players it is nearly impossible to draw it out and turn it around...

I don't think the offensive play calling was that good but that may have more to do with a new system and not wanting to overload Lanning..it looked like we ran maybe 15-20 diff plays that's it.

Wts...this is in no way Campbell fault...this is a first game of a coaching change with a ton of new players playing..Farley has been at UNI for decade or more..also...if we had lost this game playing nearly mistake free with no turnovers then I'd be very concerned..take away 2-3 of the unforced turnovers and half the stupid penalties and we win that game comfortably honestly. But it's part of the game.

A culture change of not losing doesn't happen in one game against a very good FCS team..look st TCU..they were in a dog fight with South Dakota st at TCU...SDST put up like 45 pts vs a top 10 defense folks.

App st should have beaten top 10 Tennesee..Heck Miami of Ohio looked better than Iowa the last 2 and a half quarters and Miami Ohio is not good.
UNI was just as young as us. They will be better next year. Our crack coaching staff was outcoached and in more ways than one Lanning gave victory away on his bad night.
 

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This was one of the all time worst losses imo.

Losses worse than Saturday:

2014 NDSU
2014 KU
2013 UNI
2012 Tulsa (especially since we beat them to begin the season)
2008 UNLV
2008 Baylor
2008 Colorado
2007 Kent St
2007 UNI
2007 Toledo
2006 K-State
2006 Kansas
2005 Nebraska
2005 Baylor
2005 Missouri
2005 Kansas
(any one of those losses flipped causes us to win the Big 12 North outright)
2004 Missouri
2003 Kansas
2003 Missouri
2002 UConn
 

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Heck, if we're throwing in conference games, the 2013 Baylor game where we got creamed 71-7 was worse than this. That was some kind of negative record, but I'm not sure what...largest margin of defeat?
 

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The bottom line is that if everyone had listened to me and we had gotten rid of CPR a year earlier we'd be in year 2 of this build (I refuse to call it a rebuild) and we probably don't lose to UNI again. And when the time comes and if Campbell isn't producing there shouldn't be any of this whole "he deserves another year, let's see what he can do this recruiting class from 4 years ago was his best and they're all Sr's now." crap. That's hack media stuff brought to you by the ISU AD.