All FB coaching rumors and speculation
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I know, right!
If the goal is to win a Championship (which many think is the only important thing), why mess up an opportunity to win a Championship!
to borrow from Brett McMurphy:
Teams ranked in the top 16 in the AP:
New big 12: 5/12 (42%)
Big Ten: 4/14 (29%)
New SEC: 4/16 (25%)
PAC: 2/14 (14%)
ACC: 0
We’ve barely looked.
Late DMac had five 7+ win seasons in 6 years in a much harder situation. That’s two out of four coaches in the last 25 years. Anything before that is getting rather irrelevant. Even Paul Rhoads had more wins after 4 years than Matt, and Rhoads did that with a roster comprised of two transition classes.
You put way, way too much weight on **** from 50 years ago and the fact Chizik didn’t want to be here and Rhoads not made to be a HC.
The next coach, whenever that may be, will be walking into the best situation ever. The largest cyclone fanbase ever. The easiest conference in terms of facing peers. Likely a well stocked roster and good culture. A proven incubator of good coaching working- truly a low risk, high reward program if you look at Rhoads (who had offers to leave from just a 7 win season), CMC, and Chizik
agree but these new teams will not be sniffing 1 loss in the new conference. think about it. they will be 7-5 or whatever MAYBE
They've all got the ability to win 10 games. It's ignorant to think otherwise.
My personal guess is that ND sticks in-house with Freeman. If for no other reason than they will look bad if he goes somewhere else and becomes a superstar. If they want Fickel, longterm is it really THAT big a deal for them to wait until the season is over. It might hurt 1 recruiting class a little, but not worth passing on your #1 coach.
It’s undoubtedly a top-3 conference in terms of a collection of quality programs. Many of which have proven to not need elite recruiting to compete with anyone. That’s sustainable post OuT. If anything the 4 newcomers will have even more to sustain success.
Hopefully OuT stay through 2025, and by then even you will see the loss minimal.
Sure - you ask Georgia what they think of Cincy. Ask the PAC what they think of BYU.
The point is even if one other team were to join Baylor and Okie St. as a top 15-ish type of team it would be right with the SEC and Big 10 for concentration of good teams.
Just because people in the south don't understand how division works doesn't mean we have to be stupid too. I don't think anyone is claiming the new Big 12 is going to be competing with the SEC or even the Big 10 (east). But it's better than the ACC and PAC.
I agree. Texas has been a bye week for us the last few years...lol. The added schools will recruit better and the conference will be deeper eventually in my opinion.
LOL how was the Big12 north and 4 OOC games a much harder situation?
How many top 25 teams did DMac ever beat?
I didn't say 'owe'. There's a stark difference. This whole thing becomes about how to 'manage' people's expectations because those expectations have a direct correlation to recruiting and ticket sales among other things.
Fine - same thing using Sagarin, which has a HEAVY SOS influence:
New Big 12: 4/12 (33%)
New SEC: 5/16 (31%)
Big 10: 4/14 (29%)
Mid-late 90s B12N coming off of what Mac inherited was harder than what the next coach would inherit.
CycloneErik
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You’re wrong on Rhoads having more wins in his first four over Campbell. Campbell won 3, 8, 8, and 7 for 26 wins. Rhoads won 7, 5, 6, and 6 for 24 wins. 26>24.
What he inherited was a harder situation, wont argue that. Although Matt had some pretty poor rosters to start with though.
However, it wasn't a harder situation to win games. I'm guessing here as don't have the info in front of me, but would say the only ranked teams he ever beat were Iowa in 01 and 05. Maybe Nebraska and possibly Pitt?
Certainly think the program is in good hands when there is a handoff down the line. However, in current situation if we aren't paying top dollar for a coach, your shooting for a MAC/coordinator type... which certainly can work... but I would guess that any program that goes that route isn't much more than 30-40% successful (we are 1/3 over last 15 years).
CycloneErik
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35,000 was a good crowd at kickoff, depending on the weather, it might be down to 15,000 by the third quarter. Even with a Heisman candidate playing on your team. Those were dark days, even when McCarney started having winning seasons and winning minor bowl games, it really took a long time to build up the fan base.
