2 Shades of Gray - Ranking ISU Bball Top 10

[AdamJGray]

Rob and I go through our Top 10 ISU basketball players since 1990. Both in terms of best players and biggest impact.

Feel free to tell us where we are wrong and give us your own list



http://cyclonefanatic.com/podcasts/2-shades-of-gray-top-10-isu-basketball-players-since-1990/

 

[cc1091]

Surprised no-one mentioned in any capacity (not even as honorable mention), Justus Thigpen. That Oklahoma State game where the Cyclones were down by about 20 at half, then Johnny Orr pulls Justus out of the dog house and he responds to lead the team to an OT win, talk about impact. Even with Fred and Julius on the team as freshmen, Justus was THE guy that year.

 

[cyhawkdmb]

What does Diante Garrett have to do to get some ISU love? Guy came in around the same time as Mike Taylor, Wes Johnson, and Brackins and played on horrible ISU teams. Has had a very nice Pro career.

 

[mattyice]

I thought this thread would be much smuttier.

 

[cyclone19702]

If Niang would have been a little better at defense he would be the best player ever no doubt. Still might be..

 

[FinalFourCy]

If Niang would have been a little better at defense he would be the best player ever no doubt. Still might be..

Or if he doesn't get injured. A national title is a trump card.

 

[NATEizKING]

Impact
1. Georges - 4 NCAA tourney, 2 B12 tourney titles, helped start our current best run in school history, more impactful player than Fred IMO
2. Fred - Interchangable with Georges, but only because he came back to coach, and I put more emphasis on playing
3. Fizer - Only McD's AA, Big 12 regular season title and 1st team AA, highest draft pick in school history at #4, best ISU NCAA finish ever
4. Monte - 4 NCAA tourney, 3 B12 tourney titles, all time assist and steals leader, all time NCAA ATO leader
5. Tinsley - Only back to back regular season Big 12 titles, 1st team AA, best ISU NCAA finish ever
6. Ejim - 3 NCAA tourneys and Big 12 POY, Big 12 most points in game, the rock in the time of transfers
7. Royce - Led ISU back to the tourney, led the team in points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks
8. Willoughby - Fuzzy memory as I was young but feel like he deserves to be here
9. Naz - 5 NCAA tourney, team leader during our best run in school history, hit big shots and great ambassador
10. Kane - Not sure we make tourney without him, 7 man rotation (6 with Georges broken foot), Monte FR mentor
Honorable Mention: Stinson, Homan, Vroman, Sullivan, DG, Brackins, Babb, Ellerman, Stu

I put a higher preference to 4 year guys and winners.

 

[cyclonedave25]

What does Diante Garrett have to do to get some ISU love? Guy came in around the same time as Mike Taylor, Wes Johnson, and Brackins and played on horrible ISU teams. Has had a very nice Pro career.

Still can't believe how much better he got once Fred got here. Took him to the next level.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Still can't believe how much better he got once Fred got here. Took him to the next level.

Volume increased a lot

 

[inCyteful]

Impact
1. Georges - 4 NCAA tourney, 2 B12 tourney titles, helped start our current best run in school history, more impactful player than Fred IMO
2. Fred - Interchangable with Georges, but only because he came back to coach, and I put more emphasis on playing
3. Fizer - Only McD's AA, Big 12 regular season title and 1st team AA, highest draft pick in school history at #4, best ISU NCAA finish ever
4. Monte - 4 NCAA tourney, 3 B12 tourney titles, all time assist and steals leader, all time NCAA ATO leader
5. Tinsley - Only back to back regular season Big 12 titles, 1st team AA, best ISU NCAA finish ever
6. Ejim - 3 NCAA tourneys and Big 12 POY, Big 12 most points in game, the rock in the time of transfers
7. Royce - Led ISU back to the tourney, led the team in points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks
8. Willoughby - Fuzzy memory as I was young but feel like he deserves to be here
9. Naz - 5 NCAA tourney, team leader during our best run in school history, hit big shots and great ambassador
10. Kane - Not sure we make tourney without him, 7 man rotation (6 with Georges broken foot), Monte FR mentor
Honorable Mention: Stinson, Homan, Vroman, Sullivan, DG, Brackins, Babb, Ellerman, Stu

I put a higher preference to 4 year guys and winners.

Must be a youngster? No Grayer, Hornacek or Stevens?

 

[inCyteful]

Must be a youngster? No Grayer, Hornacek or Stevens?

Eh, nevermind, I see the podcast is just from 1990, freaking youngsters anyway

 

[NATEizKING]

Eh, nevermind, I see the podcast is just from 1990, freaking youngsters anyway

Yeah I was going off the podcast 1990 but I have 0 memory of the 80's.

 

[CySmurf]

Must be a youngster? No Grayer, Hornacek or Stevens?

They were pre 1990. They were starting at 1990 for some odd reason. A lot of us watched Hilton Magic begin under Johnny Orr...we may be getting older but we're not dead yet. Why not start it when Johnny became coach?

 

[NATEizKING]

They were pre 1990. They were starting at 1990 for some odd reason. A lot of us watched Hilton Magic begin under Johnny Orr...we may be getting older but we're not dead yet. Why not start it when Johnny became coach?

Hard to put people on a list that you never saw play.

 

[AdamJGray]

They were pre 1990. They were starting at 1990 for some odd reason. A lot of us watched Hilton Magic begin under Johnny Orr...we may be getting older but we're not dead yet. Why not start it when Johnny became coach?

I explained why. I know Grayer and Stevens were awesome but I never saw them play. Wasnt about to sit on a podcast and talk about something i know nothing about.....well no more than normal.

 

[NorthCyd]

Must be a youngster? No Grayer, Hornacek or Stevens?

Youngster...you could be close to middle aged and not have much memory of those players.

 

[bsaltyman]

Off the top of my head from 1990 on my list would be:
1. Niang
2. Hoiberg
3. Fizer
4. Morris
5. Tinsley
6. Willoughby
7. Ejim
8. Royce
9. Stinson
10. Naz

Honorable mention to Cato, Matt Thomas, Sullivan, Loren Meyer, Homan, Kane, Horton, Babb, Rahshon Clark... man there were so many good players!

 

[CySmurf]

I explained why. I know Grayer and Stevens were awesome but I never saw them play. Wasnt about to sit on a podcast and talk about something i know nothing about.....well no more than normal.

Well...if you have an idea you were going to do a podcast on this...bring one or two people in to join you who have seen them play so you could have a full discussion. Just a thought.

 

[AdamJGray]

Well...if you have an idea you were going to do a podcast on this...bring one or two people in to join you who have seen them play so you could have a full discussion. Just a thought.

If you see a list of the best NBA players of the 2000's, do you get upset they don't include Kareem? I mean the criteria was quite clear.

 

[inCyteful]

Youngster...you could be close to middle aged and not have much memory of those players.

Thanks. I needed that....