Food for Thought

[mdk2isu]

It seems from reading the cesspool tht has been posted since the game ends, that there is a vocal group that believes ISU is a top 10-15 program nationally and the results should reflect that.

While I hope that we get to that point, we aren’t there yet. But let’s take a look at the other programs that are in that conversation over the past 5 or so years.

Duke, UNC, Villanova, Gonzaga, Virginia, Kansas, Michigan, Michigan State, Kentucky, Purdue, Syracuse, Wisconsin, Maryland, West Virginia, Oklahoma, Oregon, Louisville, Arizona, etc.

What do these teams have in common? Head coaches that have been there for a significant period of time. Look at the couple that have the most recent coaching changes from that list: Wisconsin and Louisville. Both have struggled to maintain their prior level since the coaching change.

Some of you all need to learn what patience is and most of all, trust and support the team, coaches, and people in charge to do what is best for the program. If we want to be a top 10-15 program, we need to act like one. And right now, that means giving Prohm time to continue building on the great foundation he has. The grass is greenest where you water it.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

Those schools aren't good because they keep a coach for a long time; they keep a coach for a long time because he is good. Case in point, Iowa is going to keep Fran for 30 years and that won't make them a top 10 program.

 

[Cyched]

It seems from reading the cesspool tht has been posted since the game ends, that there is a vocal group that believes ISU is a top 10-15 program nationally and the results should reflect that.

While I hope that we get to that point, we aren’t there yet. But let’s take a look at the other programs that are in that conversation over the past 5 or so years.

Duke, UNC, Villanova, Gonzaga, Virginia, Kansas, Michigan, Michigan State, Kentucky, Purdue, Syracuse, Wisconsin, Maryland, West Virginia, Oklahoma, Oregon, Louisville, Arizona, etc.

What do these teams have in common? Head coaches that have been there for a significant period of time. Look at the couple that have the most recent coaching changes from that list: Wisconsin and Louisville. Both have struggled to maintain their prior level since the coaching change.

Some of you all need to learn what patience is and most of all, trust and support the team, coaches, and people in charge to do what is best for the program. If we want to be a top 10-15 program, we need to act like one. And right now, that means giving Prohm time to continue building on the great foundation he has. The grass is greenest where you water it.

 

[Knownothing]

I just think that keeping prohm adds consistency. We may suffer short term but have 4 possibly 5 guys from one team end up in the nba and the guys the last few years makes him and our program very marketable. I say keep him for 4 more years and see if we can consistently real in recruits and he will get better as a coach.

 

[dirtyninety]

A lot of fans were patient after the 2012 Liberty Bowl....all that did was waste 4 years.

 

[FinalFourCy]

A lot of fans were patient after the 2012 Liberty Bowl....all that did was waste 4 years.

You’re a nut, but you called it.
Rhoads went to 3 bowl games in 4 years, historically great at ISU, but it was clear early on we were not to trust the process.

In the early 90’s we would have jumped at the success DMac had in the early 2000’s, but the hope for more was gone.

Nearly every fan base wants more. That’s not bad, at all. As long as a staff can sell hope that more could happen, they’re generally beloved. How long it takes to lose that hope is circumstantial, but once it’s gone, the heat is on regardless of irrelevant all-time averages.

 

[jsb]

Those schools aren't good because they keep a coach for a long time; they keep a coach for a long time because he is good. Case in point, Iowa is going to keep Fran for 30 years and that won't make them a top 10 program.

There are extremes in the other direction.

But name a program or 2 that are consistent changing coaches every 5 years. Let alone a basketball power.

 

[FinalFourCy]

There are extremes in the other direction.

But name a program or 2 that are consistent changing coaches every 5 years. Let alone a basketball power.

Changing, or firing?
A program that’s changing that often should be critical of their hires more than the firings.

 

[jsb]

Changing, or firing?
A program that’s changing that often should be critical of their hires more than the firings.

I think both matter.

But name a few programs that have our level of turnover that maintain success.

 

[CyCrazy]

The bball forum needs scrubbed until May.

 

[FinalFourCy]

I think both matter.

But name a few programs that have our level of turnover that maintain success.

First define success. DMac was successful by the definition most fans would have given in the 80’s and 90’s. Had to go by the definition reached by the 2000s.

Letting go or losing coaches isn’t the issue, it’s hiring ones that do not reach the current and future definitions of success. Texas Tech went to the EE and won the Big 12 with their 7th coach in under 23 years. They don’t regret not having Knight junior, Gillespie, Walker, Smith for long tenures, they regret hiring them.

There are some signs that CSP needs to improve and/or get better assistants to avoid not meeting the current definition of success. If one feels this is likely a peak type year bookended by non-tournament and sub .500 Big 12 years, it’s not good enough. If one feels as though this year, a year in which we collapsed and lacked leadership, is slightly below average for Prohm’s tenure, Prohm is good enough.

 

[nfrine]

I think both matter.

But name a few programs that have our level of turnover that maintain success.

UNLV

 

[mdk2isu]

Those schools aren't good because they keep a coach for a long time; they keep a coach for a long time because he is good. Case in point, Iowa is going to keep Fran for 30 years and that won't make them a top 10 program.

You don’t have a 23 win season without good coaching.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

You don’t have a 23 win season without good coaching.

And to your original point, you can't look at a 23-12 season with a first-round exit and say "This coach is definitely going to make this team a Top 10-15 program if he just gets more time."

There is a difference between Prohm doing a decent job this year and Prohm being an outstanding Top 15 coach. Unfortunately there is very little room to discuss this middle ground right now.

 

[RealisticCy]

You don’t have a 23 win season without good coaching.

You probably also don't beat three tournament teams in 3 days in Kansas City.

Biggest gripe from me has been the lack of consistency in Prohm's teams. But overall I think he's done a solid job.