Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

FriendlySpartan

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Some people are convinced that every Mormon in America is a BYU fan, just like every Catholic in America is a ND fan, and thus BYU = ND in terms of impact. Let's just assume for a second this ridiculous assumption actually is true (it isn't - I've known a number of Mormons in my life and all of them couldn't give two ***** about BYU, and while the same doesn't quite hold true for Catholics and ND, a good number of them didn't), Catholics so far outnumber Mormons it's not even worth wasting time looking for numbers.

I'm not saying BYU was a bad add for the Big 12, because it was. I just think there are some people that have extremely skewed perceptions as to what BYU is actually going to add to the conference, and it's not going to be anywhere near what they think it is. In fact, in terms of sheer numbers, ISU might be more valuable to the Big 12 than BYU.
I agree completely with this take. The four schools added were the best options and is a win for the Big12. Expecting those schools to put up similar records in a much harder conference isn’t likely to happen though and because of that ISU has way more value then any of the new 4.
 

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Fair.

Truth be told it is less argument than expression of anxiety.

Cyclone athletics are unbelievably important to me.

If I’m being really honest, any realignment talk poses a major threat.

While there is a reasonable chance that Iowa State will be protected by current circumstances, I also know the stark reality is likely not what I wish it to be.

I’m not unaware of the national perception. I’m not unaware of the demographics and market size. I’m not unaware of the on-field results.

I know the reason I jump at shadows and see likes of Mandel and Wilner as smug, delusional elites condescending us benighted rubes is because I need to discount what they’re saying, even if it is probably not completely off the mark.

If know that if some shadowy media force decides the Pac-12, ACC, and Big 12 would be more valuable reconstituted as a single league it’ll probably happen. I know if that were to come to pass I wouldn’t sleep until it was over, and if the league had fewer than 20 teams I’d almost certainly be heartbroken by the results.

I’m not unaware of the doubt that undergirds the posturing. I’m not unaware of the desperation in the cherry-picking and over-fitted models. Really, I’m not. I’m in the exact same place.

It isn’t a point I’m making, it is just a different aesthetic: I want a sheen of objectivity and rationality coating my hopes and worries.
 
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Yep. And I would say that Thursday night NFL game that Amazon got in on is the lowest value NFL game out there. So far they have dipped a toe in the water, but none of them have really taken a big plunge into live sports.

Also have to consider that if these games are so valuable for streaming services, CBS has Paramount Plus, NBC has Peacock, and ABC/ESPN have ESPN+. In my mind at this point it seems more natural for the legacy players to buy Tier 1 for their flagship networks then Tier 2 and 3 for the streamer. Then cross promote to drive subscriptions. Amazon or Apple outbidding the others for Tier 1 Big 12 games exclusively on streaming seems like a big leap on their part. And potentially less desirable for the schools as well. The exposure of TV has value. Is a few million more from Apple enough to offset half the audience no longer seeing you on TV?

Google is wading into the NFL Sunday Ticket battle.

Apple - Amazon - Google

Those are three heavyweights. Hope these playas want some college ball too.
 

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I love how even the pro-PAC guys are low-key confirming what everyone else is saying: ESPN gave them a lowball offer.

Can they get close to the Big12 from the open market? It's ESPN that wants the "After Dark" time slot they keep saying are so valuable.

Fully believe the Big12 will make more per school than the PAC12. Whether or not teams jump ship, I do not know. As Keeler said, the ADs/Presidents at these schools like the caviar and the prestige they believe comes with the PAC. In realignment the only thing that beats $$$ are EGOs!
 

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It’s funny how Wilner has quote retweeted a BYU fan who thinks the Pac-12 is stronger than the Big 12 and didn’t really ask a question or say anything other than “rooting for the Pac.” The BYU fan’s quote doesn’t really add anything to his tweet except to his credibility.

Nice, subtle use of his platform.
 
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LOL. Some deluded people think there's actually going to be a bidding war after ESPN dropped a $25 million deuce on top of the Pac 1X.

The only thing I could see is ESPN lo-balling PAC because they prefer an 18 school combo. Having two-three middle class conferences is inefficient to ESPN, unless a conference like the PAC can be had really cheaply.

So, combining the two makes sense for ESPN. With exit fees and the fact it doesn't seem wise to have the worst time zone and where an off-brand will do the worst be the base. Add in the central location, with 3 schools already in the east, and the Big 12 as the base is the best way for ESPN to get to one middle class conference.

But, this is ESPN. They could want that middle class to mostly be for late night, off hours to supplement the SEC (with ACC schools added). So they try to move 6-8 Big 12 to PAC, and 2-4 to ACC (even though it obvious it will soon be picked apart). Then, the Pac18 gets combined with 6 ACC leftovers? seems like a ton of work and transactions, and still needing to get enough ACC schools to P2 and a 3rd super conference, otherwise ESPN is paying two middle class, one of which is a west coast based conference with no LA.
 

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I mean, that's exactly why the Big Ten landed USC and UCLA. They now can fill the 9:00 PM Central timeslot with a game, giving them another premium timeslot for ESPN/Fox/Apple/Amazon to bid on and coverage from 11:00 AM to 12:00 AM Central time every football weekend. Two teams allows them to design the schedule in such a way that they can put a game in that timeslot every weekend during conference play. It also means it would be nice if the Big Ten could add more West coast games (for things like double-headers on Friday and Saturday night and to give them more flexibility), but it isn't crucial.

The problem the Big 12/ACC are going to run into versus the Pac 12 is that the Big 12 and ACC play all their games in the same television windows as the Big Ten and SEC, so the Pac 12 is inherently going to have more value.

Meh if we get the 4 corners. The Pac 12 will not have more value than the B12 and I don't really believe they do anyway. OU Washington and Stanford are the only schools that have any value. Supposedly according to the experts Stanford has no value but I personally think they have some.
 

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Cincy replays on Big 12 Legendary Games on Big 12 on ESPN+ is going to be great.
Wait until you see the replay of the GOAT of games on the B1G Network, Big Ten's USC vs SEC's Texas. Vince Young had himself a game.
 
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Meh if we get the 4 corners. The Pac 12 will not have more value than the B12 and I don't really believe they do anyway. OU Washington and Stanford are the only schools that have any value. Supposedly according to the experts Stanford has no value but I personally think they have some.
If you get the four corners the Pac will fold automatically.
 

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