2 win teams find a variety of ways to lose vs finding ways to win. To point to a single call is as reason they lost, just points to a team that is not prepared to finish games.
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2 win teams find a variety of ways to lose vs finding ways to win. To point to a single call is as reason they lost, just points to a team that is not prepared to finish games.
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Randy's talent on display.
Randy's talent on display.
I think the fact that we haven't heard pollard come out and say anything yet in Prohm's defense probably says he's on the same page with where we're at.
Remember that statement he put out lamenting the increase in transfers nationwide when everyone was bailing on McDermott? That was pretty funny a couple years later when we became transfer-U in a good way instead. If Pollard thought Steve was savable he probably would have tweeted something by now.
You want the coach and the players to get everything right, why not the officials?
CycloneErik
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I mean, it helps if you have a system and run plays. Most teams get several open looks for shots, under Prohm it’s a lot of standing still and jacking one up wherever you are.
I remember when "win the day" was Prohm's motto.
Now all I want is to win a day. Just one.
Now all I want is to win a day. Just one.
CycloneErik
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Heck, I'd go farther and hire Lane at this point.
I remember a lot of Chiefs fans being like this on the Pioli/Haley/Cassel era. I’m glad we flied the Scott Pioli banner. I’m glad fans wanting the best for the team led to Reid/Mahomes/Super Bowls.
Pussies like you are what leads to Prohm being retained, and Iowa State continuing to lose.
While I agree with your point, I believe there are times when officiants screw up and cause a game to turn. There are enough changes in momentum during a game without inserting an artificial one. I have always said bad teams typically can't overcome bad calls, good teams do sometimes and great teams are able to overcome them most of the time.
Still comes back to this point. Was that a good call? Was it at in important point in the game? Did it make a difference? My answers are no, yes and yes. I'm not sure if we would have won if we got that call, but it is an undeniable fact we would have had better chance if we did.
CycloneErik
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For folks who appreciate this kind of awfulness, we're one of 3 teams nationwide without a win in conference play. Our compadres are the Portland Pilots of the WCC and Delaware State of the MEAC.
Everyone else has fumbled their way to 1, sometimes even 2, conference wins.
Everyone else has fumbled their way to 1, sometimes even 2, conference wins.
Prohm is a tried and true pace and space offensive coach. Wants great freedom offensively and with a great PG to push the ball, pressure the rim and hit opener shooters would be his choice and makes this offensive work (see Cannan, Payne,Morris, Babb, Hali), unfortunately this year we have no PG or shooters. He’s been known for having great PGs, but his lack of one (either behind Halliburton last year) or this year is likely going to cost him this gig. Hunter is a year too late.
I honestly think one of us would have more conference wins than Steve Prohm this year.
So big tough guys like you, telling our athletes they suck is what gets us greatness? Yeah, that's the ticket.
Look if I had the power, Steve would be gone after this season. We've hung on too long and it's not working.
But, suggesting that I'm a ***** because I stick up for 18 to 22 year old kids is just stupid. If they aren't good enough for you, then get a new coach and recruit different kids, but don't run them down while they are here trying hard. (Now, if they don't try hard, that is another matter.)
I think you should take it easy Erik. It's been a long season and a challenging year. Seriously.
This team has had chances to win games this year and every time has failed to execute. There is nothing to prove it would have been different this time.
Bad teams put themselves in a position to magnify a call. There are calls missed all game.
Bad teams get calls in their favor too. problem is because they are bad team the probability of taking advantage of a bad call is also lower
I truly hope this is the case.
JP might be stubborn and even a bit arrogant at times, but he certainly isn't dumb. He has to know what the fan reaction would be if he decided to retain Prohm, no matter the big Fiesta Bowl win.
It's ok Erik be doesn't like excuses and I'm saying it's the refs faulty. Likely, Erik and I want the same thing.
Erik, I don't like the state of isu basketball any more than you do. I hate the fact that our players look disorganized and it doesn't seem like we outsmart anyone. That disappoints me. I happen to take it out on the refs, some people take it out on the coach, some people take it out on the players. I know I'm not one to rag on players, and I have given way too much leaway to coaches. I can easily see mistakes by officials, so I can them out on it. And just as you are frustrated by my sulence on how our team's execution losses us games, I'm frustrated by many people's incapabilty to see that one or a few bad calls can turn a game. Especially for a team as down as ours.
I do think we are agreeing on one thing. It appears we need a new coach, even if we can't afford it.
