Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

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Why answer a question nobody knows the answer to?

The order is set to expire next week. I don’t need to know exactly when. But I’d like to know her thinking. Does she plan a slow reopening? Is she going to try and go by region? Is she going to encourage employees to still telework I’d possible?
 

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I can - the article's premise is that the slowdown in the reproduction rate of the virus (the "R0") seemed to be primarily be due to the limitation of large events and the hygiene recommendations rather than the full lockdown. It notes that the sharp drop in R0 was almost exactly the predicted 10 days after the ban on large gatherings, and before the full lockdown. Similar results were found in Germany. It does note caution in interpreting these results though, due to a number of variables.

There were two main points at the end - that we might not actually be "flying blind" with regards to data, and that more "simple" measures like not allowing large public gatherings and being very vigilant about washing hands, etc. might be enough to effectively flatten the curve and not overload hospitals, provided the public buys in. That said, more research is needed
Can't be true...I was told only shelter-in-place works.:cool::D:eek:
 
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I think we all expected this to eventually be more of a reality question versus a theoretical question. When opening back up what are the acceptable amount of deaths. I think the politics of this is going to get extremely bad over the next few weeks and that’s bad for everyone.
 

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I think we all expected this to eventually be more of a reality question versus a theoretical question. When opening back up what are the acceptable amount of deaths. I think the politics of this is going to get extremely bad over the next few weeks and that’s bad for everyone.

There'll be deaths after the vaccine is created. But the question will always remain, how many deaths are considered acceptable? Sooner than later, it's going to be asked and a real answer is going to have to be provided.
 

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This was a great ad...with the words it's really good.
The bear must be a Cyclone...
 
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There'll be deaths after the vaccine is created. But the question will always remain, how many deaths are considered acceptable? Sooner than later, it's going to be asked and a real answer is going to have to be provided.
We already know what the answer is, the answer is the deaths don't matter and the economics always wins at the end of the day. That's true in many places outside of just a pandemic.

Some will fight it, and they have valid arguments, but this is always the reality of it. Plenty of people don't care if they get sick or get others sick as long as they can get their hair cut and go to bars. Same applies to business, getting people sick doesn't matter as long as the dollars keep coming in (which may be affected by carrying a reputation of getting people sick...but still).
 

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The order is set to expire next week. I don’t need to know exactly when. But I’d like to know her thinking. Does she plan a slow reopening? Is she going to try and go by region? Is she going to encourage employees to still telework I’d possible?
I’d like to know what she’s thinking as well. If she seriously doesn’t know, then she should just say that.
 

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A friend called me this AM who knew two people who were tested as part of the Prestage outbreak and were both positive. And shocked they were positive. As in never had a single symptom.
 

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There'll be deaths after the vaccine is created. But the question will always remain, how many deaths are considered acceptable? Sooner than later, it's going to be asked and a real answer is going to have to be provided.
IMO the unacceptable deaths are ones that occur because the sick can't receive adequate treatment due to overburdening the healthcare system. That's what this has always been about. The tricky part is knowing when and how much you can open up and avoid that circumstance.
 
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A friend called me this AM who knew two people who were tested as part of the Prestage outbreak and were both positive. And shocked they were positive. As in never had a single symptom.
That’s honestly a scary feeling. God only knows how many they infected.
 

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We already know what the answer is, the answer is the deaths don't matter and the economics always wins at the end of the day. That's true in many places outside of just a pandemic.

Some will fight it, and they have valid arguments, but this is always the reality of it. Plenty of people don't care if they get sick or get others sick as long as they can get their hair cut and go to bars. Same applies to business, getting people sick doesn't matter as long as the dollars keep coming in (which may be affected by carrying a reputation of getting people sick...but still).
It's a real balance though, right? What happens if the economy crashes? It would likely be substantially worse than 2008. The number of deaths could end up far surpassing just the virus deaths. The health system could crash. We're already seeing stories about rural hospitals having to lay people off. It's a terribly fine balance and a difficult choice to make.
 

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That’s honestly a scary feeling. God only knows how many they infected.
You should actually take some level of comfort in that. It's looking like substantially more people have this stuff and aren't even having slight symptoms. That's a good thing.
 

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I think we all expected this to eventually be more of a reality question versus a theoretical question. When opening back up what are the acceptable amount of deaths. I think the politics of this is going to get extremely bad over the next few weeks and that’s bad for everyone.



Of course.

but 40,000 people have died of this in a month or 5 weeks. That’s a lot of people with fairly substantial shutdowns.

what is your acceptable number of deaths in a month?
 

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It's a real balance though, right? What happens if the economy crashes? It would likely be substantially worse than 2008. The number of deaths could end up far surpassing just the virus deaths. The health system could crash. We're already seeing stories about rural hospitals having to lay people off. It's a terribly fine balance and a difficult choice to make.

How many people killed themselves in 2008 due to the financial crisis?
 

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How many people killed themselves in 2008 due to the financial crisis?
A lot, I'm guessing.

According to Forbes, the British Journal of Psychiatry estimates more than 10,000 suicides are directly related to the 2008 financial crisis.
 
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