This is why Prohm must go........

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Just stop?

So I guess you are okay with a 35-37 record in Big 12 over his four years and how the team has one NCAA tournament win in three years.......I guess you are okay with 9-9 mediocre records when this team CLEARLY had the talent to go 14-4 in league.......prove my points wrong......otherwise your post means nothing.....you didn't because you can't......end of story....

You ask us to prove your points wrong when you can't in any way prove them right...
You are not at practices, you don't see what works and what doesn't. You know nothing of the team chemistry, of rotations that work on a regular basis, and the ones that don't. What you don't know about this team or the staff, and other possible causes for successes and failures, is vastly overshadowed by WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, just don't try to pass yours on as fact!!

We are not Kentucky or Duke. We don't/can't simply reload every year with one-and-done future pros. Nor would we want to, IMO. I like watching players grow and develop, improving on their strengths and weaknesses. I like that I can run into them at Hickory Park or the mall or a gas station, and they are pleasant and genuinely glad to take the time to chat if they can. I like when they come back with nothing but great things to say about the Cyclones and their fans. They are the best ambassadors the university could want or ask for, (again, this is my opinion and not a attempted verification of my knowledge).

I don't many guys that can get to the rim at will, especially when they're under control to finish or dish off. Haliburton penetrates alot, but seldom goes to the hole, preferring to make the spectacular pass that wows everybody, (it's not a great pass if the player it goes to can't finish or gets the ball in a less-than-optimal scoring position for that player).

This is my sixth decade of ISU sports. I've seen the good, I've seen the very good, and I've seen the bad and the worst of our programs over the years. What I have seen very little of in that time is short-sighted, win now or never, impatient dolts that expect and value glory and successes over perseverance and dedication on a regular basis...

Prohm's teams' play hard, never give up, and seem to improve from the beginning to the end of each season. He's a very good recruiter and a solid, honest individual that won't sink the ship for one win, (or even one season). Integrity and loyalty are traits that are often overlooked and are indeed valuable lessons not only in sports, but also in life.

I don't know if you are younger or older, if you're young I can kind of understand your impatience, if you're older then you should know better. We will have an off year from time to time, but almost all programs do. For the ones that don't, I feel kind of sorry for them, because victory is expected, not appreciated.

I'm a Cyclone forever, good or bad, win or lose, and I hope you are, too.
 

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I do not get the Prohm haters (or at least dislikers) sometimes.

They at once --

-- fault him for not winning the whole ******* thing with all the talent last year
-- say his recruiting is spotty, inconsistent, or creates a lot of busts/transfers out

These two things are inverse to each other.
 

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Exactly why people are in a bad mood around here. 2019 was an absolute dumpster fire of a coaching job as far as Im concerned. Last year's roster was as good as its going to get with Prohm. You had Wigginton and Lard coming off the bench ffs, .500 last year and then losing to some scrub Big 10 team was completely unacceptable.

I keep trying to tell you guys that he has a track record now of getting less out of more talent, what do think is going to happen in the year's he has a less talented roster?

You hate him. You will always hate him. You have admitted to hating him from the very beginning.

You have zero objectivity when it comes to assessing this basketball program as long as it is lead by a coach you admit to absolutely detest.
 

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You didn't dispute any of my points and you somehow think I would be affected by you starting to call me names......funny stuff......it's sad that Chris allows 3rd graders on cyclonefanatic......glad you to hear you are okay with one.....yes one NCAA tournament victory in the last three seasons......sorry I have bigger expectations for ISU basketball.....if you don't then that's perfectly okay......enjoy your evening my friend

You suggest that person is immature and then your response proves that you are, as well. I have bigger expectations for myself and others, I'm sorry if you don't...o_O
 

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You didn't dispute any of my points and you somehow think I would be affected by you starting to call me names......funny stuff......it's sad that Chris allows 3rd graders on cyclonefanatic......glad you to hear you are okay with one.....yes one NCAA tournament victory in the last three seasons......sorry I have bigger expectations for ISU basketball.....if you don't then that's perfectly okay......enjoy your evening my friend
If you are arguing with a 3rd grader, doesn't matter if you are right. You lost.
 

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Garrett -- had a cup of tea in the NBA, long-term European player
Staiger -- long-term player in Europe, one of the best shooters in school history
Gilstrap -- #1 JUCO recruit in the country
Brackins -- 21st overall pick, short NBA career and now long overseas career
Hamilton -- 45th overall pick (higher than THT!), on-off NBA career, overseas now
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Colvin -- 4* recruit, though never lived up to it
Christopherson -- short overseas career, one of the best shooters in school history
Dendy -- former 4* recruit, eventually won CPOTY for a mid-major conference
JVB -- one of the best shooters in school history, long overseas career

I could make a case that team had more talent than the one last year.

The result... 15-17 overall, 4-12 in the Big 12, zero wins in KC, no postseason.

If you think last year was squandering talent compared to that list, then I've seen things you couldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
And McDoormat as coach. A guy that was being praised on by a lot of cyclone fans even right before he “took” the job at Creighton even though it was obvious early on that he was a horrible hire. Lucca Staiger was god awful. He played 0 defense and never went passed the three point line on offense. Stood at the line and never went deeper. It was 4 on 5 when he was on the court. Other than that that team was a perfect example of wasted talent. Reading that roster makes me sad.
 
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And McDoormat as coach. A guy that was being praised on by a lot of cyclone fans even right before he “took” the job at Creighton even though it was obvious early on that he was a horrible hire. Lucca Staiger was god awful. He played 0 defense and never went passed the three point line on offense. Stood at the line and never went deeper. It was 4 on 5 when he was on the court. Other than that that team was a perfect example of wasted talent. Reading that roster makes me sad.

You are right that Staiger was hilariously one-dimensional.

But he was a career 122/305 (40.0%) from three-point land.

He was 48/113 (42.5%) before he bailed on us that last season.

We would kill for that guy this year.

The talent wasted on that roster top-to-bottom was sad.
 

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You are right that Staiger was hilariously one-dimensional.

But he was a career 122/305 (40.0%) from three-point land.

He was 48/113 (42.5%) before he bailed on us that last season.

We would kill for that guy this year.

The talent wasted on that roster top-to-bottom was sad.


Give me Scotty 100% of the time - I hated Staiger!!

Also never understood the love for Vanderbeken - 6’11’ and couldn’t rebound or guard a fence post!!
 
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Give me Scotty 100% of the time - I hated Staiger!!

Also never understood the love for Vanderbeken - 6’11’ and couldn’t rebound or guard a fence post!!

Career 108/255 (or 42.4%) from three.

Being 6'11" and being able to shoot like that justifies yourself.

Even if you suck at just about everything else.
 
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Do you have any evidence for this?

I remember Scott Drew pantsing Hoiberg in Hilton one time...

http://barttorvik.com/box.php?muid=BaylorIowa+St.42060&year=2015

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There was some "great" Hoiberg coaching on the right there.

We all know the legend of Toupee Bill.

There is a post from last year on W-L by five pointe or less\OT. CSP’s win pct compared to CFH and other peers is quite a bit lower. Self wins like 80% of these games....insane.
 

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I'm not saying you're wrong about the big deal of coming off the bench when you're on of the leaders in minutes played in the conference. But that also isn't a reality most kids can acknowledge when they feel it is taking away from their dreams to make it to the NBA.

Glad you could create an account to comment on my post. Im sure Chris appreciates it.

In response to your post, that sounds like a PLAYER problem, not a COACHING problem.
 

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There is a post from last year on W-L by five pointe or less\OT. CSP’s win pct compared to CFH and other peers is quite a bit lower. Self wins like 80% of these games....insane.

Link me?

I am unfamiliar with any of the wording in the post, so I do not know what to search.
 

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You hate him. You will always hate him. You have admitted to hating him from the very beginning.

You have zero objectivity when it comes to assessing this basketball program as long as it is lead by a coach you admit to absolutely detest.

Thats a blatant lie, Ive never once said I hated him from the beginning. What I did say is I heard internal rumblings from June 2015 that were causing me to doubt he was the right guy for the job.

My opinion of him has many different aspects, had some of the results over the last 5 years been different, I would be on you guy's side right now.
 

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Garrett -- had a cup of tea in the NBA, long-term European player
Staiger -- long-term player in Europe, one of the best shooters in school history
Gilstrap -- #1 JUCO recruit in the country
Brackins -- 21st overall pick, short NBA career and now long overseas career
Hamilton -- 45th overall pick (higher than THT!), on-off NBA career, overseas now
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Colvin -- 4* recruit, though never lived up to it
Christopherson -- short overseas career, one of the best shooters in school history
Dendy -- former 4* recruit, eventually won CPOTY for a mid-major conference
JVB -- one of the best shooters in school history, long overseas career

I could make a case that team had more talent than the one last year.

The result... 15-17 overall, 4-12 in the Big 12, zero wins in KC, no postseason.

If you think last year was squandering talent compared to that list, then I've seen things you couldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.

I was referencing other teams in 2019.
 

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My prediction is this thread continues to go strong all season.

And for the record, I dont want Prohm fired, if he gets fired next year you run the risk of losing Foster to Iowa. He needs to start producing though, as this program has taken a dramatic downturn in the last 3 years once Hoiberg's guys were officially out of the program.
 

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Thats a blatant lie, Ive never once said I hated him from the beginning. What I did say is I heard internal rumblings from June 2015 that were causing me to doubt he was the right guy for the job.

My opinion of him has many different aspects, had some of the results over the last 5 years been different, I would be on you guy's side right now.

he was hired in June 2015. You were against him in the beginning.

and I believe in one of your weaker moments you’ve said you’d never be happy with him.
 

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My prediction is this thread continues to go strong all season.

And for the record, I dont want Prohm fired, if he gets fired next year you run the risk of losing Foster to Iowa. He needs to start producing though, as this program has taken a dramatic downturn in the last 3 years once Hoiberg's guys were officially out of the program.


This.
 

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he was hired in June 2015

Yeah, that's what I said.

You were against him in the beginning.

Not true, once again for those who don't understand English, I heard things about how he was running practice the first month he was on campus which made me question if he's a good fit, I dont form an official opinion until I have a big enough sample size.

The 2016 season got me off to a a bad start with him, the next year I was pretty pleased with how the program performed, the last 3 years since Hoiberg's players are officially gone have been underwhelming to say the least.
 

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Yeah, that's what I said.



Not true, once again for those who don't understand English, I heard things about how he was running practice the first month he was on campus which made me question if he's a good fit, I dont form an official opinion until I have a big enough sample size.

The 2016 season got me off to a a bad start with him, the next year I was pretty pleased with how the program performed, the last 3 years since Hoiberg's players are officially gone have been underwhelming to say the least.

So one bad practice report makes you hate the guy.

Anyone with any sort of brain function realized he tried a little too hard that first year. That’s why guys like Georges didn’t love playing for him for a while. He figured it out and obviously had a great relationship with Monte.
 
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