This is absolutely a lie. Monte's senior year you wanted him fired.
This is why Prohm must go........
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This is absolutely a lie. Monte's senior year you wanted him fired.
well I have no idea. But there weren’t a lot of practices from June 7 when he was hired until June 30.
He was trying to be accepted by players who thought TJ was getting hired. They didn’t want to like him. He tried too hard. The fact that June 2015 was bad isn’t some big shock. What’s shocking is people are still holding it against him.
Also, Prohm first couple of years were not that great recruiting wise.
https://247sports.com/college/iowa-state/Season/2015-Basketball/Commits/
https://247sports.com/college/iowa-state/Season/2016-Basketball/Commits/
https://247sports.com/college/iowa-state/Season/2017-Basketball/Commits/
https://247sports.com/college/iowa-state/Season/2018-Basketball/Commits/
https://247sports.com/college/iowa-state/Season/2019-Basketball/Commits/
https://247sports.com/college/iowa-state/Season/2015-Basketball/Commits/
https://247sports.com/college/iowa-state/Season/2016-Basketball/Commits/
https://247sports.com/college/iowa-state/Season/2017-Basketball/Commits/
https://247sports.com/college/iowa-state/Season/2018-Basketball/Commits/
https://247sports.com/college/iowa-state/Season/2019-Basketball/Commits/
Lol, yeah, me along with thousands of other people on January 31st, 2017. The just got destroyed in Hilton by West Virginia and making the tourney seemed sketchy at that point.
Then Kansas happened, followed by winning 7 out of 9 and winning the Big 12 tourney. I thought they did a good job that year when you look at the entire season objectively.
Not your strong suit. Probably shouldn't lecture people about it. Pot and Kettle type stuff.
Does which year in which that talent was wasted really matter?
Seems like an arbitrary boundary on your potential sample.
You think Prohm is bad...? You should meet my Wookie friend.
I quite literally lol'd.
Incredible wins in Lubbock and Manhattan.
Highest rating of the past decade on Bart Torvik.
"Dramatic downturn."
This is why the haters have clown noses.
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There are legitimate concerns to be had. This year is probably going to be frustrating, and next year has lots of uncertainties, especially if Haliburton is leaving. This kind of hyperbole, expressed in your exasperated tone, has no reasonable foundation whatsoever. There has been way more good than bad. Any season where we cut down the nets in Kansas City is by definition one of the best seasons in school history.
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Michigan: 28th and 47th pick - 15 conference wins
Washington: 20th and 43rd pick - 15 conference wins
Florida St: 27th and 48th pick - 13 conference wins
Those aren't exactly lottery picks.
Listen, I'm not saying Prohm sucks but he underperformed in comparison to coaches who had similar talent levels last year.
If past recruiting is the biggest issue, then an optimistic view going forward is reasonable. Fred greatly helped to **** Prohm’s first class, and Prohm made some missteps in executing the transition plan. Somewhat of a cascading effect followed.
Those are largely sunk costs imo. The next class looks promising, so hopefully lessons have been learned. Recruiting isn’t the primary concern, coaching and circumstances are imo.
Sorry, I actually gave him too much credit when I said a .500 program. Research indicates a 35-37 record in Big 12 play.
Game scores for last year...
I completely agree with you that things got away from Prohm last February. We only have bits and pieces of what happened, but it sounded like the guys let some of the talk about their talent get to their heads and started playing for themselves instead of the team. The results on the court bore that out. After the practice fight and the WVU game where Shayok did not play, trust me, I was ready to abandon ship, too. I was blowing up an inflatable dragon pool toy and about to swing away from that sinking ship as quickly as I could. Then we played well against Texas Tech at home (even if we lost) and won it all in KC.
I went to the Tulsa game... They played hard and together. Ohio State was just slightly better that night, and we had no answer for Wesson pounding us.
If things do not get away from him in February, then we probably accomplish basically most of the things the crowd faults last year for for some reason.
My response to this...
-- Well, that month sucked, but we "got it back" and righted the ship somehow.
-- Prohm is still bringing on plenty of talent, and his next class might be his best.
-- Judge the season from preseason expectations and not expectations at the end of January, and I think last year was pretty successful.
-- I hope the program collectively learned something after that month from hell.
I think your analysis of the relative talent level of the program might be a little arbitrary. I would like to see something more systemic. Putting us on a list with somebody like Duke and the talent that they had/have is kind of silly, though.
Ok but even if I remove all blue-blood schools and first round picks the results remain the same; Prohm had better talent with worse results.
Big 12 last year:
Baylor - 0 draft picks (10 conference wins)
Kansas State - 0 draft picks (14 conference wins)
B10 last year
Purdue - 1 2nd round draft pick (16 conference wins)
Wisconsin - 0 draft picks (14 conference wins)
Maryland - 1 2nd round draft pick (13 conference wins)
You aren’t very smart are you? It’s ok if you aren’t but seriously quit talking
Baylor = Ro32, lost to Zaga
Kansas State = upset by UC-Irvine (maybe Wade was out?) in the first round
Purdue = had a great run to the Elite Eight, should have finished UVA off for a Final Four appearance, Carsen Edwards was playing out of his mind
Wisconsin = lost to #12 Oregon in the first round
Maryland = Ro32, lost to LSU
Besides Purdue, who had the proverbial hot streak that you need to have in the NCAA tournament, none of them went much further than we did. Of the remaining four, two were out without a win and the other two were out two days later.
Without our player that could have helped tremendously in that game.
Things to consider --
Every FB and MBB coach that Pollard has hired =
Chizik
Rhoads
Campbell
McDermott
Hoiberg
Prohm
Notice how many of them he has fired? Yes, he let McCarney and Morgan go, but those were not "his guys." Pollard is very loyal to his hires.
With Rhoads even, he only let him go when...
(1.) It was painfully obvious that it was not working.
(2.) The program had a specific moment of extreme embarrassment.
(3.) I think Pollard was locked onto Campbell (even long before the Kansas State debacle at the end of that year) and knew he had to move now to get him.
Prohm is going to have a long leash, like it or not. Pollard vociferously defended him on a podcast with CW/Hines this spring using many of the same arguments that we have (e.g., good recruiter, met preseason expectations, good representative of the university, etc.) on here. I imagine Prohm has at least two years on credit now, if not three.
Every FB and MBB coach that Pollard has hired =
Chizik
Rhoads
Campbell
McDermott
Hoiberg
Prohm
Notice how many of them he has fired? Yes, he let McCarney and Morgan go, but those were not "his guys." Pollard is very loyal to his hires.
With Rhoads even, he only let him go when...
(1.) It was painfully obvious that it was not working.
(2.) The program had a specific moment of extreme embarrassment.
(3.) I think Pollard was locked onto Campbell (even long before the Kansas State debacle at the end of that year) and knew he had to move now to get him.
Prohm is going to have a long leash, like it or not. Pollard vociferously defended him on a podcast with CW/Hines this spring using many of the same arguments that we have (e.g., good recruiter, met preseason expectations, good representative of the university, etc.) on here. I imagine Prohm has at least two years on credit now, if not three.
