This is why Prohm must go........

[ClonesFTW]

Baylor = Ro32, lost to Zaga
Kansas State = upset by UC-Irvine (maybe Wade was out?) in the first round
Purdue = had a great run to the Elite Eight, should have finished UVA off for a Final Four appearance, Carsen Edwards was playing out of his mind
Wisconsin = lost to #12 Oregon in the first round
Maryland = Ro32, lost to LSU

Besides Purdue, who had the proverbial hot streak that you need to have in the NCAA tournament, none of them went much further than we did. Of the remaining four, two were out without a win and the other two were out two days later.

You can rationalize each team anyway you want but they all had more conference wins than Iowa State.

 

[CyBobby]

Prohm doesn't need fired, he needs to get his **** together and quit getting embarrassed in Ames on a regular basis. He's tettering on losing the fanbase if they keep getting blown out in Hilton.

Thanks I see that You ...CW and me agree, that the LOSING inside Hilton Coliseum must STOP!!

 

[Sigmapolis]

You can rationalize each team anyway you want but they all had more conference wins than Iowa State.

Oh, I agree with your analysis on some level --

We were below those "peers" in conference because of a crappy February. The run in Kansas City helped a lot to make up for it, but it was still blah.

I just do not think it was as deterministic/simple as you make it out to be.

Only one of those "peer" non-blue bloods with that level of talent made any noise in March, and two of the others lost to #10-#12 seeds like we did.

We are a negative outlier in one metric (conference record), a positive outlier in another (conference tournament), and lower-middle in another (NCAA tournament).

 

[Tornado man]

We lost to a core that is the #2 team in the country right now a few months later.

I hear you that we should have won that game and it was at least a mild or moderate upset (we were like 75%ish favored on ESPN before that game).

But saying Ohio State "sucked" is hyperbole. Rutgers sucked, not Ohio State.

Saying that everything is just awful and terrible because we lost a classic #6/#11 upset against a high-major roster that has since proven to have a much higher ceiling than we appreciated then is completely unfair on your part, though.

Ohio State was 8-9 in the Big Ten with Wesson; they were routed by Houston in the next round with Wesson; they were seeded at lowly #11, and one of the last teams in, for a reason.
It was a terrible loss. OSU didn't look very good at all, even in winning.

 

[madguy30]

Calling Ohio State a dumpster fire team last year is ridiculous. They made the NCAA tournament for gods sake. Also saying that ISU ran into “good” OSU is also ridiculous. ISU vs OSU looked like two teams who didn’t want to play again that season. Both teams looked awful in that game.

Yeah gotta say at the end of it instead of being all that ticked about it I felt more like 'well, if they're gonna play like that, they might as well not play on' while also not feeling like OSU really earned it.

 

[CTTB78]

........
Prohm is the best recruiter in school history. The five best recruits of the 247 era in school history are Brackins, Wigginton, Horton-Tucker, Thomas, and Foster. Prohm has landed 3/5 of them.......

Did you mean the best in '247 era school history'? The best recruits in school history belong to Johnny.

 

[NoCreativity]

I went to the Iowa Wolves game last night. Lindell comes off the bench for them but when he's in he looks like the most explosive player on the entire floor. You can tell their coach runs their offense through him and they try to get him the ball as much as possible. Deonte Burton plays for Oklahoma City who they were playing, Lindell looks more athletic than Burton to me, just without the size. They also have a guy from Washington who won PAC-12 POY last year.

Its an absolute travesty that he wasnt allowed to be in any game last year until the 14 minute mark. The guy would be in a Cyclone uniform right now if not for the raw deal he got last year. He's dominating in a college all star league right now and wasnt even good enough to start for a .500 team in the Big 12.

 

[FinalFourCy]

I went to the Iowa Wolves game last night. Lindell comes off the bench for them but when he's in he looks like the most explosive player on the entire floor. You can tell their coach runs their offense through him and they try to get him the ball as much as possible. Deonte Burton plays for Oklahoma City who they were playing, Lindell looks more athletic than Burton to me, just without the size. They also have a guy from Washington who won PAC-12 POY last year.

Its an absolute travesty that he wasnt allowed to be in any game last year until the 14 minute mark. The guy would be in a Cyclone uniform right now if not for the raw deal he got last year. He's dominating in a college all star league right now and wasnt even good enough to start for a .500 team in the Big 12.

You’ve managed to be incorrect on nearly every point you attempted to make outside of Wigginton’s athleticism, which has never been disputed. He just doesn’t utilize that explosiveness effectively on defense, or efficiently on offense. He’s not dominating that league, if anything he’s the same role player.

You think Wigginton having a larger role and more production last year would have resulted in him returning? Generally the “better” players perform, the less likely they return. More Wigginton wasn’t a remedy for what ailed us last spring. If anything, Wigginton was a large part of the problem. We played our best when he was not available imo.

 

[NoCreativity]

You’ve managed to be incorrect on nearly every point you attempted to make outside of Wigginton’s athleticism, which has never been disputed. He just doesn’t utilize that explosiveness effectively on defense, or efficiently on offense. He’s not dominating that league, if anything he’s the same role player.

You think Wigginton having a larger role and more production last year would have resulted in him returning? Generally the “better” players perform, the less likely they return. More Wigginton wasn’t a remedy for what ailed us last spring. If anything, Wigginton was a large part of the problem. We played our best when he was not available imo.

You're a moron dude, go watch him play then get back to us. You think we were better last year when he didnt play? Thats one of the dumbest things Ive read on here in quit some time.

Yeah, one of the top 5 recruits in school history was just a role player. Guy started every game as a true freshman, one of the top returning scorers in the Big 12, then he only plays 28 minutes instead of 38 on a .500 team. Prohm even admitted at the end of the year he misused him.

 

[jsb]

You're a moron dude, go watch him play then get back to us. You think we were better last year when he didnt play? Thats one of the dumbest things Ive read on here in quit some time.

he played plenty last year.

 

[NoCreativity]

he played plenty last year.

Not nearly enough, especially when you are the best player on the floor for most games.

 

[jsb]

Not nearly enough, especially when you are the best player on the floor for most games.

well he pretty much lost the Kansas State home game all by himself. Considering you think losing at Hilton is the worst, I’m surprised you forgive him for that. He was a ******* disaster in that game.

when he played well he got a ton of minutes.

 

[quasistellar]

My prediction is this thread continues to go strong all season.

And for the record, I dont want Prohm fired, if he gets fired next year you run the risk of losing Foster to Iowa. He needs to start producing though, as this program has taken a dramatic downturn in the last 3 years once Hoiberg's guys were officially out of the program.

I disagree with the dramatic part, but the cracks are starting to widen.

 

[NoCreativity]

You guys can bash our former players all you want, dont take my word for it, just go watch him play for yourself. You can probably score some free tickets since there is about 500 people in the stands. He's as talented as Burton right now and Burton is 4 years older.

 

[mdk2isu]

You're a moron dude, go watch him play then get back to us. You think we were better last year when he didnt play? Thats one of the dumbest things Ive read on here in quit some time.

Yeah, one of the top 5 recruits in school history was just a role player. Guy started every game as a true freshman, one of the top returning scorers in the Big 12, then he only plays 28 minutes instead of 38 on a .500 team. Prohm even admitted at the end of the year he misused him.

Apparently you dont read your own posts.

 

[jsb]

You guys can bash our former players all you want, dont take my word for it, just go watch him play for yourself. You can probably score some free tickets since there is about 500 people in the stands. He's as talented as Burton right now and Burton is 4 years older.

That’s all fine and good although I’m don’t trust your judgement.

I’m saying he was not that good last year.

 

[capitalcityguy]

That’s all fine and good although I’m don’t trust your judgement.

I’m saying he was not that good last year.

But how much of that was because he wasn't used properly by the coaching staff?

cavaete - I'm not suggesting Prohm should go, but I do believe the mishandling of Wiggie has been his biggest coaching mistake since coming to ISU.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Ohio State was 8-9 in the Big Ten with Wesson; they were routed by Houston in the next round with Wesson; they were seeded at lowly #11, and one of the last teams in, for a reason.
It was a terrible loss. OSU didn't look very good at all, even in winning.

One of the ugliest football teams I have ever seen was the 2015-2016 Denver Broncos. Their games were ugly as sin, but somehow they won a Super Bowl.

Ohio State wanted that brawling Big East style and they got it.

We were not a team with the size or muscle last year to win when the refs swallowed their whistles. We were a finesse team, and Ohio State exploited that.

Upsets happen -- losing to Ohio State was unfortunate but not program-defining. I doubt anybody around the country thinks 11 > 6 was a huge deal like we do.

Now, UAB, 14 > 3, that is another story. That makes you infamous.

I went to the Iowa Wolves game last night. Lindell comes off the bench for them but when he's in he looks like the most explosive player on the entire floor. You can tell their coach runs their offense through him and they try to get him the ball as much as possible. Deonte Burton plays for Oklahoma City who they were playing, Lindell looks more athletic than Burton to me, just without the size. They also have a guy from Washington who won PAC-12 POY last year.

Its an absolute travesty that he wasnt allowed to be in any game last year until the 14 minute mark. The guy would be in a Cyclone uniform right now if not for the raw deal he got last year. He's dominating in a college all star league right now and wasnt even good enough to start for a .500 team in the Big 12.

He played more minutes than THT did last year in the Big 12. He played 22, 29, 29, and 29 minutes in our four postseason games last season.

He was #4 in minutes on the team after Nick, TH, and Shayok.

I have no evidence of this, but it feels like he was in at the end of games more.

I would have probably started LW over THT at some point last year, but you're acting like playing him 25-30 minutes per night was somehow "not using" him.

Your point that Prohm somehow benched him or did not use him is farcical. Pick a different hill to die on -- most your points are bad, but this one is awful.

Not nearly enough, especially when you are the best player on the floor for most games.

Shayok was the best player on the floor for most games.



Shayok...

-- 3.3 higher ORTG
-- 3% higher TS%
-- five more points per game

...if we are judging them against each other as ball-dominant scorers. My eye test said that Shayok was a way better and more flexible defender, as well.

Your credibility is suspect when you make obvious errors like this one. Wigginton was not even the best high-volume chucker on his own team.

 

[FinalFourCy]

You're a moron dude, go watch him play then get back to us. You think we were better last year when he didnt play? Thats one of the dumbest things Ive read on here in quit some time.

Yeah, one of the top 5 recruits in school history was just a role player. Guy started every game as a true freshman, one of the top returning scorers in the Big 12, then he only plays 28 minutes instead of 38 on a .500 team. Prohm even admitted at the end of the year he misused him.

Go watch him play in the G-League? That's not very informative to how he played last year at ISU, but I'm guessing I'd see the same high usage, inefficient scorer.

LW's recruiting ranking is irrelevant to how many minutes he should have played. He's talented, but a tough piece to fit on a team like the 2018-19 squad. 28 minutes is appropriate on a team that had a better scorer in Shayok, which is LW's role. I know you're easily enamored with highlights and dunks, but LW didn't deserve 38 minutes. That's reserved for guys like Halliburton.

 

[FinalFourCy]

But how much of that was because he wasn't used properly by the coaching staff?

How was he not used properly?

If anything, how they used him helped. Putting him at pg would have further exposed his weaknesses. He averaged nearly 27 minutes in conference play. That's plenty for a guy that's best suited for instant offense off the bench.