Campbell era: Your 5-year expectation
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Most years that game can make or break your bowl chances now with the round robin Big 12 schedule. If this program wants to make a bowl game let alone have some 8 or 9 win season the Iowa game is a must win because going 2-1 in the non conference means winning at least 6 in the Big 12 to get to 8 and most years that is not going to be an easy task
ISU had a chance to hire Billy Bob Snyder and passed and hired Jimmie Dean Walden instead....which of course was a monumental mistake..........
I agree 100 percent. Without the money to retain a great football coach its just more losing and misery...I have been watching this since 1962.
True, but with situations like that, few people would anticipate at that time the impact Snyder could have, especially if predicting he'd have the level of success, he's had, especially doing it at Kansas State, whose history to that point was worse than ISU's.
When Snyder went to KSU, none of the '83 Fry-tree had made a mark yet as P5 head coaches, either: Alvarez, McCarney, Stoops.
I think the really exciting part of that will be when you try to draw correlation to somehow give mr 56-85 credit for the win
Every game is important and assuming a win early in the season carries more weight because the conference is 'so hard' is a loser mentality.
No it isn't easy at a historically bad spot but it sure would be fun to see CMC change this type of mentality in his players so fans can stop having it too.
The basketball program barely has a .500 record historically but the culture changed at one point to have some decent success and now there's a real feeling that most years they have a chance vs. anyone.
Agree totally. If anything, with our Big 12 schedule, the Iowa game (esp at home) has gotten even bigger.
Haha, goodness, right on cue.
Prime example of why Iowa fans mock the ISU fanbase.
What BS. Not the Hawk fans I know - and I work with plenty. Instead of "mocking" ISU, they just want to beat us too. Breaking news: most if not all of them want to win the ISU game more than any other.
Oh but they're not on message boards, so...
Not saying they don't see it as a big game, but the mentality that something like the Iowa game is so vital because it's assumed that the conference slate is going to go badly is the 'Super Bowl' mentality and needs to stop.
I think it's more that if you look over the past 20 years, the Iowa game is one of the 'easier' games on the schedule when you look at the W/L record. If we want to go bowling this year, this is a game that will help a lot in getting there.
Should win games: UNI, Kansas, Akron
Winnable games: Iowa, Texas, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, K-State (recent record not good, but the games are usually close)
Tough games: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, West Virginia
Can we get to a bowl if we lose to Iowa? Sure. But I like our chances a lot better if we win that game.
Well, if that is the team's mentality, then I agree. But I have no idea if that's ever been the case.
If that's the fans' mentality, it's irrelevant. We're not on the team or part of the coaching staff.
Pretty sure it was CPR who spoke about how it's so hard to prep for the Big 12 because every week is that pace...I suppose he had a point but it also showed me a mindset that it's simply too hard.
When is the last time (and I do not know the answer) we exceeded .500 in league play? Cleaning up in non-conference is key. I believe, truly -- and it is a belief -- that we can defeat eiu most years once our program is stabilized. Why?
Because we are competing against the Big 12 conference, not the Big weak western division (sorry, I do not know what it's called name-wise). If we can compete well against our league brethren, we will win most games with eiu.
It probably is the Dan McCarney team in 2000 that went 5-3 in conference and won 9 games including the bowl game and that was because we did not play TX and OU that year. I know we have some 4-4 records since then in Big 12 play. Even in the years we made bowl games it was because we got 3 or 4 wins in the non-conference
I agree, I would think Ohio State would go after a bigger fish or someone from the NFL similar to what they did with their latest basketball coach respectively. I would consider places like Wisconsin, Michigan State, or Tennessee to be more realistic landing spots for CMC instead of the blue bloods like Ohio State, Michigan, or Notre Dame.
Respectfully disagree. Ohio State goes after their own no matter what level. Jim Tressel came from Youngstown State (Div II) to OSU after 12 years of Cooper.
Now, Campbell doesn't have a direct connection, but Meyer wanted him on staff as OC before Herman. I'm sure with a good showing at ISU, Meyer would vouch for him. And as tolfbfan posted, Ohio State is the big game in the state and any Ohioan would want that job. Campbell doesn't seem like an SEC brand to me, but maybe. I also don't see OSU hiring a head coach currently in the Big 10, so if Campbell does want OSU someday, he probably wouldn't go that route.
Who would OSU hire post-Meyer? Tom Herman is probably at the top of that list. John Harbaugh maybe? Luke Fickell again? I don't see another Bruce staffer coming in, that generation will pass with Meyer I think (Dom Capers, Pete Carroll, Nick Saban). Butch Jones, Pat Narduzzi, Sean Payton?...all stretches.
I think this is an easy answer. If Campbell can win 6 or 7 games every year, with an occasional 8 or 9 win season sprinkled in somewhere, he will be a God in Ames, no question.
Anyone thinking he has to win more than 6 or 7 games a year is just dreaming IMO. Not going to happen. We aren't in a conference competing with other midwestern schools. We are competing in a conference with predominantly southern schools. It is a FACT, that southern schools do a lot better in recruiting in general. That is difficult for ISU to overcome.
Problem is, if CMC wins 6 or 7 games even a couple years in a row, he's probably gone. I hope not, but it's likely. That's the life of being ISU. I have no idea how Iowa has kept KF in IC for so long, but it's been the key to all their success IMO. That stability is huge. I think KF is actually a brilliant guy. He knows he doesn't have the stress and pressure at Iowa like he would at a big time program, yet he's had just enough success every now and then to get himself huge extensions. If you factor in cost of living, KF might be the highest paid coach in the country. Well, not over Saban of course, but he'd be up there.
Anyone thinking he has to win more than 6 or 7 games a year is just dreaming IMO. Not going to happen. We aren't in a conference competing with other midwestern schools. We are competing in a conference with predominantly southern schools. It is a FACT, that southern schools do a lot better in recruiting in general. That is difficult for ISU to overcome.
Problem is, if CMC wins 6 or 7 games even a couple years in a row, he's probably gone. I hope not, but it's likely. That's the life of being ISU. I have no idea how Iowa has kept KF in IC for so long, but it's been the key to all their success IMO. That stability is huge. I think KF is actually a brilliant guy. He knows he doesn't have the stress and pressure at Iowa like he would at a big time program, yet he's had just enough success every now and then to get himself huge extensions. If you factor in cost of living, KF might be the highest paid coach in the country. Well, not over Saban of course, but he'd be up there.
