Just wanted to note that a few years ago a biker died at the intersection outside of Adel that you posted...He didn't stop. He was heading west on the trail and ran into a vehicle traveling north on the paved road.
Bicyclists fined $195 for stop sign violations
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Just wanted to note that a few years ago a biker died at the intersection outside of Adel that you posted...He didn't stop. He was heading west on the trail and ran into a vehicle traveling north on the paved road.
If those dang bike riders can't follow traffic signs/signals then they don't deserve their drivers license!
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How am I whining about it when this was my response:
You cranky today or something?
This is interesting... http://www.bikeiowa.com/News/6806/m...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Not taking the drivers side, but I'm not sure what he exactly did wrong there to receive a fine. He moves over for the biker (obviously he could of gotten over further, but is that a law?). The question is how fast was he going? DId he slow down a little bit while passing the biker, and speed up once he got around creating the smoke plume, or did he step on it to be an ******* and create the smoke plume?
Not taking the drivers side, but I'm not sure what he exactly did wrong there to receive a fine. He moves over for the biker (obviously he could of gotten over further, but is that a law?). The question is how fast was he going? DId he slow down a little bit while passing the biker, and speed up once he got around creating the smoke plume, or did he step on it to be an ******* and create the smoke plume?
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No, they're stop signs. I'm surprised you can't tell the difference because one is a big red octagonal shape that reads "STOP" and the other is a smaller triangle shaped sign that reads "YIELD".
All you're doing is coming up with justifications for breaking the law. Most of us on here have sped or rolled through a stop sign in our lives. Most of us realize while doing so that if we happen to get caught we're probably going to get a ticket.
I'm a bicyclist and a commuter who travels a ton for work. There are irresponsible people on both sides.
You really are bad at logic. I like how you took only the part that suits your argument, and left the rest off. If I said "I like your hair, but I hope you spend some time cleaning up your horrible wardrobe." Would you consider it a compliment? Probably not. Hence, if you say "these bikers should have been ticketed, but I hope they spend some time on drivers and hunters" when there is innumerably more time spent enforcing drivers and hunters....yeah, that sounds whiny.
I'm very aware of Kim Clayton. Not here to defend people who don't look before crossing. That's the busiest rural crossing on that segment in my opinion.
yeah, this seems a bit extreme to be going after someone for. The only part of the truck that's in the right lane is his right tires.
If the lane is approximately 12 feet wide and the truck is approximately 8.5 ft wide, lets say he has a third of the truck still in the right lane. That leaves over 9 feet of space for the bike rider.
Boy a lot of bike haters on here. First of all, yes I do roll through stop signs on my bike if no one is coming. It is just a lot easier. I always make absolutely sure no one is coming, because if someone hits me, I am pretty sure I will take all the damage. Now, lets flip the coin. I see people in cars roll through the stop sign in front of my house at 10-15 MPH all the time. Isn't that against the law too. Also, when I ride on the road I stay as far to the right as I can, so people can get around me. I would be fully within my rights to ride right down the middle and back up traffic for miles, but I don't because it is stupid and dangerous. I have been knock off the rode by morons trying to squeeze by me and oncoming traffic before, riding down the middle is like inviting someone to run me over.
My point is that cyclist routinely give up most of the road so they are not slowing traffic, but are expected to come to a complete stop at stop signs when no one is approaching , when almost no one in a car does?
My point is that cyclist routinely give up most of the road so they are not slowing traffic, but are expected to come to a complete stop at stop signs when no one is approaching , when almost no one in a car does?
I guess you deserve that 56 in a 55 ticket on a rural state highway too then? :spinny:
yeah, I would because I understand that 56>55. I wouldn't be thrilled with it but the law is pretty black and white on this one.
I have no problem with bicyclers rolling through stops. Never been close to hitting one or had a car hit me while riding. What's the big deal? There is a not a wave of law suits when the cyclist is at fault. Sounds more like the non-riders griping as there is a real misdirected antipathy directed at bikers. What is with that? The flip side for me is drivers who fail to signal their turns.
Getting brushed off the road purposely by drivers (many times) or half empty pop containers thrown at me is my beef - I have a way with dealing with these people that comes to, I hope, a lesson to them.
Getting brushed off the road purposely by drivers (many times) or half empty pop containers thrown at me is my beef - I have a way with dealing with these people that comes to, I hope, a lesson to them.
I knew as soon as I saw the thread title that this would turn into a multi page discussion so guess I'll keep it going. If you zoom in on your first link, you will see that almost the entire trail through Guthrie County is lined with trees and brush. In some cases you can see the road as you approach from a long way down the path. In others you really have no idea what is coming until you are right on top of the road.
You ask if a car running through a stop sign is against the law too...are you serious? You think people don't get tickets for that if they're in cars, that this is some anti-biker conspiracy where cars can run through stop signs all they want but "the man" is coming after you bike riders for running stop signs?
Would you care to guess on the ratio of car vs bike stop sign tickets?
I was there that day when it happened. I spoke with multiple people who were fined, including the board member.
The fact is there are stop signs. People didn't/don't always stop...me included. They slow in varying degrees. Is that right, no. Is it dangerous...I think it's subjective based on the situation.
That being said, the board member probably caused some of his situation. What I saw/heard was a vocally vulgar group of cyclists who ****** off a DNR officer. You don't want a ticket, shut your mouth, admit you were wrong and move along. Accept the consequences. But calling him a ******* ******* doesn't get you or the rest of us anywhere.
Additionally, most cyclists are good people who obey the laws, are respectful of motorists and understand that car + bicycle = death. Being on a bike trail and having a stop sign is a lot like being on a gravel road and having a stop sign...very few people, if given adequate visual clearance, stop all the way. It's what people do.
Finally, these tickets will most likely be thrown out and here's why...there is no code supporting these particular stop signs. I think the DNR will lose on all counts. BUT, cyclists need to obey the signs OR suffer the consequences, some of which can be dire.
The fact is there are stop signs. People didn't/don't always stop...me included. They slow in varying degrees. Is that right, no. Is it dangerous...I think it's subjective based on the situation.
That being said, the board member probably caused some of his situation. What I saw/heard was a vocally vulgar group of cyclists who ****** off a DNR officer. You don't want a ticket, shut your mouth, admit you were wrong and move along. Accept the consequences. But calling him a ******* ******* doesn't get you or the rest of us anywhere.
Additionally, most cyclists are good people who obey the laws, are respectful of motorists and understand that car + bicycle = death. Being on a bike trail and having a stop sign is a lot like being on a gravel road and having a stop sign...very few people, if given adequate visual clearance, stop all the way. It's what people do.
Finally, these tickets will most likely be thrown out and here's why...there is no code supporting these particular stop signs. I think the DNR will lose on all counts. BUT, cyclists need to obey the signs OR suffer the consequences, some of which can be dire.
I don't think it's worthy of a ticket. The rider had plenty of room, and while entitled to the lane, that truck was giving him at least half of the lane. I would take that more often than not. The plume of smoke might be because of several reasons and one being slowing down for the biker. If it happened when he's parallel with the biker, then I could see more of a reason.
