This is true. KU and ISU are doing their part. Plus WV is probably overachieving. Everybody else needs to pick it up. If you watch the ACC, you can't really compare the two leagues. Their top half is so much better than ours. I blame Texas, they were the team that had the talent to be a top 5 team and win the conference and as usual they have underachieved.
ISU @ KU Postgame
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This is what I posted earlier as well. From 18:40 to go in the first half to 12:27 left in the first half, KU turned the ball over twice and missed 5 consecutive shots. We were only able to gain a 3 point lead during that period of time as we missed a bunch of shots ourselves. If we could have pushed the lead out to 10 then, we could have had a lead going into half time and it would have been a completely different game in the second half.
I think it's more of a reaction to how we have played lately on the road. We started out pretty poorly against Baylor before we had a huge turn around, we played poorly against Tech almost the whole way, and we didn't play great against Kansas either. I personally thought we played alright last night, just not in the areas we normally play well in. We ended up out rebounding Kansas and finished with 17 offensive rebounds. We also turned the ball over 14 times and only had 17 assists. Strange game for sure.
Look at how many thumbs up he's given. Should tell you everything you need to know about his statement.
The problem is that we can't do that very effectively against teams like Kansas. McKay was the only bench player able to do anything at all. Thomas is in the middle of an awful slump, Nader wasn't able to become a factor, and Edozie wouldn't do us any good once we got down a bunch. The only other option we had was Custer who would have been eaten alive. Kansas was gassed too from having to get back on defense as quick as they did, they just benefited from having too many people trying to stop inside baskets in transition which resulted in Seldon and Oubre getting wide open looks. If they would have given Naz and Georges the open looks we gave them we wouldn't have lost by 13.
We don't agree on a lot, so when we do that should be a sign someone just said something very stupid. In no way is losing @ Kansas a failure and nobody should treat it as one.
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I thought the guys were plain exhausted. When our shots weren't falling - we were missing layups and dunks - we had to play that much harder on defense. Kansas was very smart in using a lot of the shot clock, which made us work on defense. I thought our defensive lapses in the second half were due to fatigue. I thought we played hard and didn't give up. We got it to single digits a couple of times in the second half but couldn't make the basket to get us over the hump. I thought for a game in Lawrence that the officiating was very, very good. They're a very good team and it was their night not ours. Kansas' deeper bench may have been the deciding factor.
I really wish we had another combo guard we could go to off the bench. It's asking a lot for Monte to play as minutes as he does, but our offense bogs down noticeably when he's not on the court. He's in the top 150 nationwide in % of minutes played and has only played less than 35 mins in one conference game.
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The perimeter defense bothers me, but as I have pointed out in other threads, defensive priority #1 against a good team like KU is keeping them out of the paint. We did reasonably well there. Priority #2 is helping to the post from the right areas, and recovering quickly, and that is where we fell down (and in-rhythm shots from three in the secondary transition). Sometimes you can get away with that, sometimes you don't.
Color me a bit surprised at the wealth of negative reactions on here.. I know the game didn't go anywhere near as well as we had hoped, but some of the criticisms being lobbed out here are ridiculous.
Kansas is not Texas Tech. Kansas is actually a good team, as much as some people on here don't want to believe it. They got hot from 3, and there's your game (overly simplistic, I know). You don't think it would've been a closer game if Naz was 5-7 from 3?
Both teams played very, very hard. Kansas got run out of the gym in Ames, and they tried their hardest to make sure it didn't happen again in Lawrence.
The biggest problem in the game for ISU was execution. WAY too many turnovers. Give a little credit to Kansas, they played very tough defense, which helps cause those turnovers. ISU I thought did an admirable job of defense in the first half, but 3 turnover possessions in a row and a missed layup to end the first half really hurt them, and then Kansas hit a few shots in a row to start the second and that was it.
Give me KU-ISU in the Big XII Tourny Title game, and it ought to be a hell of a match.
Kansas is not Texas Tech. Kansas is actually a good team, as much as some people on here don't want to believe it. They got hot from 3, and there's your game (overly simplistic, I know). You don't think it would've been a closer game if Naz was 5-7 from 3?
Both teams played very, very hard. Kansas got run out of the gym in Ames, and they tried their hardest to make sure it didn't happen again in Lawrence.
The biggest problem in the game for ISU was execution. WAY too many turnovers. Give a little credit to Kansas, they played very tough defense, which helps cause those turnovers. ISU I thought did an admirable job of defense in the first half, but 3 turnover possessions in a row and a missed layup to end the first half really hurt them, and then Kansas hit a few shots in a row to start the second and that was it.
Give me KU-ISU in the Big XII Tourny Title game, and it ought to be a hell of a match.
I was referencing KU's national reputation for not playing up to their seeding(AKA choke).
Not sure I have all the numbers 100% correct, but with a tourney record of 95-48 and every dance ending with a loss except for NC's(congrats), my thinking has KU averaging less than 2 wins per tournament, and with your typically top seeding, KU's choke reputation is well earned.
You'll have a well earned top seed again this year, try not to embarress us....again
We had three goto guys last year with Georges, Edge, and Kane.
This year our goto guy is Georges with semi goto BDJ, Naz, McKat and Monte. Hogue could get more done, but he is mostly rebounding. Abdel and Matt remain for further development. We need better support for Georges.
Last night KU defense was active enough to pushed us out too far and scare off our semi GoTos. Surprised we did not force the issue more in the middle with BDJ and Hogue. Fred will need Plan C come the tournament.
Niang played one of his best games of his career, but had very little help except for an active McKay.
Too many other players (Morris, BDJ, Thomas) did not bring enough to the game last night and that is a recipe for a beat down.
To beat KU on the road, need great play from several players, and we got hard play, but not great play.
Too many other players (Morris, BDJ, Thomas) did not bring enough to the game last night and that is a recipe for a beat down.
To beat KU on the road, need great play from several players, and we got hard play, but not great play.
Kane was great at just putting his head down and bulldozing his way to the hoop if the offense was breaking down and there were no other options. That is something we really miss this year.
Name one coach that has more tourney wins than Bill Self since he got to Kansas. I'll wait.
One thing I noticed: KU fans got up for this game, and their players got up for this game....huge compliment to where the ISU bball program is now. Here is to a great rivalry going forward where it's fighting for top 2 and beating up on others.
I still don't get how ISU fans can criticize KU for...well, literally anything. It just makes you look stupid, because they're better than us in a massive way historically.
And then you get this thrown back at you and there is nothing you can say, to make yourself look less stupid:
And then you get this thrown back at you and there is nothing you can say, to make yourself look less stupid:
