Eustachy to Oregon State?
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Just because the inventor intended it that way, doesn't mean it's the best. If you look at Kansas, they can play either way, up and down or half court. That in my opinion is a great team. I think you have to mix and match to make a great team, one way is not a very smart way to play baketball.
The way its meant to be played is for us to play in a way which gives us the best chance to win that day. If we had the tools to play more uptempo, we would.
Exactly how I feel. You cant tell me that if McDermott got alot of quick athletes he wouldnt open it up more. Look at what happened this year, you got our guard who when sped up they turned it over more. If we had some players who could handle the up tempo style without turning it over, I hardly believe McDermott would put a lid on it.
I doubt larry's going anywhere. He has most of his team back and I expect them to be in the tourny next year and to possibly win a game or two.
He made a great player (Tinsley) great.
In the three years that Larry coached ISU without Tinsley his Big 12 record was 15-33. That's not the sign of a coach making players better than they really are.
CycloneErik
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Well said, but altogether too reasonable. Somebody get the adults off the computer!!!!!
And what happens to an uptempo team when they face a defense that knows how to get back on defense, essentially nullifying the break? Remind me how well Morgan's teams did in the half court set?
It is much easier to get a team that knows how to play the half court set to get into a break when the opportunity presents itself than it is for a team that is forced to play a half-court set when for all purposes can only play an uptempo offensive style.
"The first official game was played in the YMCA gymnasium on January 20, 1892 with nine players and the game ended at 1-0 and the shot was made from 25 feet" (Wikipedia)
I'd say McD has a firm grasp of what Naismith intended!
I'd say McD has a firm grasp of what Naismith intended!
Todd, Todd, Todd. :no: As a Cyclone fan you can't be this reasonable. Here are your choices: Eustachy was either the greatest coach in the history of the NCAA, or he was a hack who only had one good recruit. And Morgan was either a great recruiter and coach who played an exciting style of play, or he was a decent recruiter who knew less about basketball than the members of a Cyclone athletics forum.
And don't get me started on McCarney. :wink:
sorry...I'll try to reign in my "reasonableness". Don't wanna stir things up around here.
I would say what he's done at UNI at least give him consideration . . . 4-6 more years at ISU (when his recruits and system are in place (hopefully)) will add or subtract to that adjective.
He was a good coach. A good recruiter? Not so much. If we could have only morphed the good qualities between Larry and Wayne Morgan into one...........
All it takes is one great player in college to get teams to the next level. So you can just say "well he only had one great player"...who cares, he won A LOT with that great player.
Winning 2 conference championships in 6 years is something I'll take any day of the week. Oh yeah, we were basically 1 win away from a national title too. That just doesn't happen often at Iowa State.
I don't give a lot of credit to what happened in the "minor leagues" at UNI. And, by the way, he never even won a conference championship or an NCAA Tournament game there.
Lastly, how can you use the word "hopefully" when talking about McDermott having "his recruits and system" in place after 4-6 years??
Eustachy coached us to two of our best seasons ever. But saying 2 championships in 6 years implies that Larry could have won 4 in 12 years or 8 in 24 years. I think it would have been 2 total had he stayed for 50 years.
Here's why: Larry coached ISU to two NCAA tournaments including an elite eight when he had Fizer and/or Tinsley on the team. In 17 years as a head coach he's coached his teams to three NCAA tournaments - total. That means he has ONE tournament appearance in 15 years without Fizer and/or Tinsley. So who was more responsible for those two years -- Eustachy? Or Fizer / Tinsley, with Larry along for the ride?
For those who give Larry tons of credit for coaching and developing them as great players -- why doesn't he do it again? Any coach can have a great team because of one or two players, but a great coach can sustain that success over multiple recruiting classes. Larry never showed that he would do that at ISU, and he hasn't exactly overachieved at Southern Miss, either.
Yeah, the fact that he was fired just as his best recruiting classes were starting to roll in means absolutely nothing.
Actually, he had pretty good recruiting classes before this one, at least on paper. The class before this had Haluska, Barnes, Alexander, Vroman, and Harper - all 4 star recruits. The problem is that it he took too many chances with recruiting players who were talented, but had some character issues. It worked great with Tinsley, but failed almost every other time.
For those that keep saying that they would take 2 championships every 5 years any time, I've got a question. If you could have Eustachy - minus Tinsley for 5 years, or Tinsley - minus Eustachy for 2 years, which would you take?
LE is a great coach, yes he had players but do you think Wayne Morgan would have done anything with those players? I doubt it. Bottom line, ISU was one of the top 5 teams in the country for two years and he was the coach.
