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Eustachy to Oregon State?

Larry never came close to even a winning conference record, let alone a conference championship, before Tinsley arrived or after Tinsley left. He has never come close to a conference championship at Southern Miss.

Does he get a lifetime pass because of two good seasons?
 
All I can say is I am glad LE and his assistants were at ISU when he was honored with the AP coach of the year. His bad decisions and stupid photos can't take the fun I had that year following the team around.

On a side note, Larry came down into the lobby the night he and the team lost to MSU, it was late. He drank a beer with us (ironic) and simply apologized for the loss and for the outburst. He said he felt he let the fans down.
 
I think LE is kind of like Aerosmith. After several top albums, like Rocks and Draw the Line, they started to fade a bit. Finally, they went clean and sober and released Done with Mirrors. Sadly, it was total crap. After a while, they regained their commercial success, but it took some time. Give LE a couple more years, and he will he back to winning.
 
MontyBurns said:
Larry never came close to even a winning conference record, let alone a conference championship, before Tinsley arrived or after Tinsley left. He has never come close to a conference championship at Southern Miss.

Does he get a lifetime pass because of two good seasons?
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I don't think you understand....LE has won 6 regular season conference championships. S-I-X! That is a bid deal guy. As long as Calipari is at Memphis, it probably will not happen at So. Miss....but there is no discounting that much success. Having Tinsley was an advantage at ISU, and he was darn smart for recruiting him here.
 
balken said:
I think LE is kind of like Aerosmith. After several top albums, like Rocks and Draw the Line, they started to fade a bit. Finally, they went clean and sober and released Done with Mirrors. Sadly, it was total crap. After a while, they regained their commercial success, but it took some time. Give LE a couple more years, and he will he back to winning.
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I consider Larry the Brett Farve of ISU - two great championship seasons, bout with substance abuse, etc. Some fans will always love Larry and I don't have a problem with that. People want to blame Bruce for him being let go but he shouldn't have made himself a national embarrassment anyway.

I am very happy Larry was our coach for a time. He's gone now and isn't coming back so I don't really care what he's up to. He hasn't really shown the ability to build or maintain Southern Miss so I'm not exactly missing him now either.
 
BryceC said:
I consider Larry the Brett Farve of ISU - two great championship seasons, bout with substance abuse, etc. Some fans will always love Larry and I don't have a problem with that. People want to blame Bruce for him being let go but he shouldn't have made himself a national embarrassment anyway.

I am very happy Larry was our coach for a time. He's gone now and isn't coming back so I don't really care what he's up to. He hasn't really shown the ability to build or maintain Southern Miss so I'm not exactly missing him now either.
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Great post I agree completely...
 
Ficklone02 said:
I don't think you understand....LE has won 6 regular season conference championships. S-I-X! That is a bid deal guy. As long as Calipari is at Memphis, it probably will not happen at So. Miss....but there is no discounting that much success. Having Tinsley was an advantage at ISU, and he was darn smart for recruiting him here.
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It's not a big deal. Four of those were in the Big West and Big Sky conferences. Those are such awesome conferences that winning the conference regular season championship was not enough for his team to get invited to the NCAA tournament. Steve Alford won the Heartland Conference championship twice in four years and nobody (except for cybadboy) thinks he's a great coach. Success on those levels does not automatically translate into success in major Div I conferences.
 
83Clone- I did read the Taggart article yesterday, especially the part about the players knowing two months before the end of the season that the coaching staff was in trouble. That's near the beginning of the Big 12 schedule and pretty much confirms what we've been told by people close to the program, that JP was looking to get rid of Morgan early on. Not a good situation for the team in that last year, but maybe that's what JP had in mind, especially since he didn't even lobby for an NIT game at the end of the year, which we may have got. Can you blame Taggart and many of the other players from wanting to get out? He and Stinson (and Morgan) were also being constantly ripped on the message boards and airwaves the last month of the season. JP got what he wanted but so far we're paying the price. And once again, Morgan was 2-1 against Mac's best UNI teams and until Mac at least accomplishes anything close to Morgan, all the Mac praising is meaningless.
 
Winning Championships is extremely difficult, as evidenced by the fact that ISU basketball and football has done it so infrequently. I'll love Larry forever for what he did those two years. I didn't really like him as a coach because I didn't like the technicals and meltdowns, but he has given us the two best seasons in any major ISU sport in my lifetime. He may not have come close to winning a championship other than those two years, but I can't fault him because really, neither did any other coach we've had.

If somebody told us we could get coach X to come here and he would win 2 conference championships in 5 years, we'd all be on board for it.

Floyd finished 2nd once, with 5 losses in conference and wasn't really in contention to win it. Orr finished 2nd twice with a 6 loss and 5 loss conference season and really wasn't in contention to win the whole thing those years either.

Eustachy has done something TWICE that no other MBB coach in the modern era has done. I don't know why we need to diminish that. It was a great accomplishment.
 
MontyBurns said:
It's not a big deal. Four of those were in the Big West and Big Sky conferences. Those are such awesome conferences that winning the conference regular season championship was not enough for his team to get invited to the NCAA tournament. Steve Alford won the Heartland Conference championship twice in four years and nobody (except for cybadboy) thinks he's a great coach. Success on those levels does not automatically translate into success in major Div I conferences.
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If you don't think that winning multiple conference championships at several levels of college basketball is a big deal, then......I'm not going to waste any more time discussing this with you.
 
Southern Miss is the only school that Larry hasn't won a conference title at yet...and all of his talent on this year's team is freshmen and sophomores...some of you act like we win conference titles around here all the time...we've had plenty of teams talented enough to compete for conference titles here at ISU, but Larry is the only coach that has won them. He has his downfalls, but he sure can coach, and to say otherwise is just ignorant.
 
MontyBurns said:
It's not a big deal. Four of those were in the Big West and Big Sky conferences. Those are such awesome conferences that winning the conference regular season championship was not enough for his team to get invited to the NCAA tournament. Steve Alford won the Heartland Conference championship twice in four years and nobody (except for cybadboy) thinks he's a great coach. Success on those levels does not automatically translate into success in major Div I conferences.
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Ok lets play your game.....

10 seasons....158 wins and 107 losses with a winning % of 59%
2 NITs
and 2 NCAA's

Good Coach?
 
I cannot believe people come here and rip LE. Did he have issues yes, did he lose a few games yes. He did give ISU fans the best back to back years of ISU basketball period. He coached ISU deeper in the NCAA's than most of us have saw, he won more conference titles than any other ISU coach in my lifetime, he won both the conference tourny and regular season title something that is hard to do. He coached 2 All-Americans at a school that doesnt have many. What could he have done with Morgan's 1st team? He never did really get to use the 2 good years to his advantage in getting players to come to Ames. He made great players All Americans, good players great and ok players good. Everyone knew there role on the team and where they stood with him. He was rough on the kids but he made them better. If what he did for ISU on the court isnt good enough, than just what is good enough? I always thought it was just Iowa fans that ripped coaches for doing good things but I guess I am wrong.
 
balken said:
I think LE is kind of like Aerosmith. After several top albums, like Rocks and Draw the Line, they started to fade a bit. Finally, they went clean and sober and released Done with Mirrors. Sadly, it was total crap. After a while, they regained their commercial success, but it took some time. Give LE a couple more years, and he will he back to winning.
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BryceC said:
I consider Larry the Brett Farve of ISU - two great championship seasons, bout with substance abuse, etc. Some fans will always love Larry and I don't have a problem with that. People want to blame Bruce for him being let go but he shouldn't have made himself a national embarrassment anyway.

I am very happy Larry was our coach for a time. He's gone now and isn't coming back so I don't really care what he's up to. He hasn't really shown the ability to build or maintain Southern Miss so I'm not exactly missing him now either.
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No, no, no.........you guys have it all wrong!:no:

Larry is like Lenny from Laverne and Shirley. Kind of creepy at times, but then when the **** hits the fan during an episode, you find out he's an alright guy.:biggrin:

 
BryceC said:
I consider Larry the Brett Farve of ISU - two great championship seasons, bout with substance abuse, etc. Some fans will always love Larry and I don't have a problem with that. People want to blame Bruce for him being let go but he shouldn't have made himself a national embarrassment anyway.

I am very happy Larry was our coach for a time. He's gone now and isn't coming back so I don't really care what he's up to. He hasn't really shown the ability to build or maintain Southern Miss so I'm not exactly missing him now either.
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Great post ..I agree.
 
I think 2 Conference Championships with Larry were great...and I think his firing was appropriate.

I think Wayne's style of ball was, at times, fun to watch and by most accounts was a great guy..and I think his firing was appropriate.

I think McD will provide dicipline and structure that was sorely lacking before his arrival, I just don't know yet how well this translates to winning in the Big 12 so, if we don't show serious progress over the next 3 years...I think his firing will be appropriate. That's 5 years and that's enough to prove you're capable.
 
Todd said:
I think 2 Conference Championships with Larry were great...and I think his firing was appropriate.

I think Wayne's style of ball was, at times, fun to watch and by most accounts was a great guy..and I think his firing was appropriate.

I think McD will provide dicipline and structure that was sorely lacking before his arrival, I just don't know yet how well this translates to winning in the Big 12 so, if we don't show serious progress over the next 3 years...I think his firing will be appropriate. That's 5 years and that's enough to prove you're capable.
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Completely agree. I probably am labeled as one of the Wayne "lovers", but now that a couple years have passed I don't have a problem with him being let go. What I have a problem with is people tearing him down needlessly.
 
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