*** Official #7 IOWA STATE vs #16 Texas Tech Game(Day) Thread ***

[GetAwesome]

I’ll just say from a fan experience, the glass court is bada**. I’m all about it.

Change is hard, and that’s not an attack on others’ viewpoints. Changing things up will always face immediate backlash, it’s human nature.

Glass court is fun, generates more ad revenue, and *potentially* has safety benefits.

So on the safety side, let’s collect the data before we yell at the clouds. Long-term use of a more forgiving surface will reduce impact injuries and long-term wear and tear on the joints. A little extra slipping may be a good thing, may be a bad thing, just not enough evidence collected to make a definitive case either way.

Players sprain ankles, get concussions, and tear groins and knees on hardwood all the time, yet nobody curses the hardwood when it happens.

 

[pourcyne]

If you average all the arenas latitude and longitude, it's a field 5 miles east of O'keene Oklahoma.

My bud Chat Gpt AIsplained it...

What you're describing is closer to the geometric median (also called the Fermat–Weber point). It finds the point that minimizes the total distance to all schools:

min⁡(x,y)∑i=1nd((x,y),(xi,yi))\min_{(x,y)} \sum_{i=1}^{n} d((x,y),(x_i,y_i))(x,y)mini=1∑nd((x,y),(xi,yi))

This does consider distances, but importantly:

• You don’t average the distances themselves
• Instead, you search for the point whose total distance to all cities is smallest

This is commonly used for:

• locating warehouses
• airline hubs
• conference headquarters

 

[CycloneErik]

Hypothetically, if we won the big 12 tourney and did it with wins over Tech, Arizona and Houston could we snag a 1 seed?

I think we'd be a 2 seed with a very legitimate claim, and we would complain here for a long time.

 

[AllInForISU]

I’ll just say from a fan experience, the glass court is bada**. I’m all about it.

Change is hard, and that’s not an attack on others’ viewpoints. Changing things up will always face immediate backlash, it’s human nature.

Glass court is fun, generates more ad revenue, and *potentially* has safety benefits.

So on the safety side, let’s collect the data before we yell at the clouds. Long-term use of a more forgiving surface will reduce impact injuries and long-term wear and tear on the joints. A little extra slipping may be a good thing, may be a bad thing, just not enough evidence collected to make a definitive case either way.

Players sprain ankles, get concussions, and tear groins and knees on hardwood all the time, yet nobody curses the hardwood when it happens.

I’ve watched a lot of basketball, I’ve never slipping like this. It was to the point where officials weren’t calling traveling when people were sliding after trying to come to a stop. If they did, they might still be playing.

It was that bad.

If you are there, maybe you aren’t noticing it as much, but on TV it was a significant amount of slipping and sliding that I have never seen in an individual game.

As far as revenue goes, I’d love to see if they clear the 2.5 million on ad revenue it would need to break even.

 

[cyputz]

With the discussions relative to slipping and injuries.
How is Jefferson’s knee/ankle??

 

[NWICY]

I agree. The B12 tournament would be the 9th most popular thing to do in Vegas this week. We want it to be a big deal and for that to happen we need people to care and show up. KC is the best choice in my opinion. Maybe Dallas? That way only TCU and Baylor have the “advantage” lol

Tried Dallas to appease Texas a while back if my memory is correct. There is a reason it's back in KC. Texans don't care about BB.

 

[jdoggivjc]

I’ll just say from a fan experience, the glass court is bada**. I’m all about it.

Change is hard, and that’s not an attack on others’ viewpoints. Changing things up will always face immediate backlash, it’s human nature.

Glass court is fun, generates more ad revenue, and *potentially* has safety benefits.

So on the safety side, let’s collect the data before we yell at the clouds. Long-term use of a more forgiving surface will reduce impact injuries and long-term wear and tear on the joints. A little extra slipping may be a good thing, may be a bad thing, just not enough evidence collected to make a definitive case either way.

Players sprain ankles, get concussions, and tear groins and knees on hardwood all the time, yet nobody curses the hardwood when it happens.

I think conceptually it's interesting, and we're starting something that will eventually be used in a widespread manner, at least for All Star Weekends and the such. But...

1. The slippage issues must be addressed. You can't have players playing on something that has a higher potential for getting them hurt.

2. You have players playing on a basketball court-sized UHDTV screen for the entire world to see... and you're using THOSE court designs?

 

[JM4CY]

@CoachHines3 I’ve seen post all day about a slippery court and not ONE joke about your mom in response. It’s a good day to be a cyclone but damn it if I’m not disappointed in all of you.

 

[GetAwesome]

I’ve watched a lot of basketball, I’ve never slipping like this. It was to the point where officials weren’t calling traveling when people were sliding after trying to come to a stop. If they did, they might still be playing.

It was that bad.

If you are there, maybe you aren’t noticing it as much, but on TV it was a significant amount of slipping and sliding that I have never seen in an individual game.

As far as revenue goes, I’d love to see if they clear the 2.5 million on ad revenue it would need to break even.

I’m watching on TV, and I was laughing at that myself, the refs not calling travels because plant feet rarely were completely sticking. (But how about Jefferson with multiple NBA 5-step step-throughs not being called )

That said, that doesn’t prove the glass surface is universally more dangerous.

I could easily surmise a little slippage/give on the surface will result in fewer impact injuries and knee injuries, but cause a higher risk of tweaked groins. Either way, no definitive data yet. Just initial fan perception.

 

[Tpups21]

Lunardi just moved ISU back up to the last No. 2 seed.

 

[helechopper]

I think the court is a great idea and I'd like to keep it, if there aren't too many fans with pitchforks and torches against it.

On Cyfan After Dark the consensus was the new court was basically an abomination, mentioning it's uneven at the seams and more slippery than a traditional floor. A point they also made was that it made the Big12 look like it was trying too hard.

All of that is fine and dandy, but I'd like the Big12 to learn from this tournament and make adjustment/improvements in the off season and give it another fair shake next year.

I'd change the color. Make it a more natural wood color, experiment with anything but gray. Fix the disjointed floor so it's seamless, and improve traction.

What I do like are the team intro graphics, the live stats and dividing up the floor to show what percentage of shots were made in specific spots, plus the glass breaking on court for dunks. What about when they turn the whole basketball court into a TV to show gigantic highlights, amazing. That stuff is fun and innovative.

We've been using wood floors for over 100 years, I don't see any shame in the Big12 getting people to see the game of basketball in a new way.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Lunardi just moved ISU back up to the last No. 2 seed.

Saw that. I was always under the assumption that the Big 12 deserved 2 2s before the Big 10, especially when all three schools (ISU, Illinois, MSU) all struggled down the stretch.

 

[Cyrealist]

I’ve watched a lot of basketball, I’ve never slipping like this. It was to the point where officials weren’t calling traveling when people were sliding after trying to come to a stop. If they did, they might still be playing.

I agree. And, it's ugly. Last night I was watching OKIE State (in black) vs TCU (in white) on the gray floor and I kept thinking there was something wrong with my TV. The announcers said it looked like the movie "Pleasantville."

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Looking at projections they have ISU as a 3 in the Midwest with Michigan and UConn. No thank you.

 

[rosshm16]

I'm pleased that we have looked so sharp in these last two games. Often this time of year we look slow and tired. Playing our best ball.

 

[GoSTATE71]

I think we'd be a 2 seed with a very legitimate claim, and we would complain here for a long time.

I think we’re probably a 2 right now depending on what MSU and Illinois do

 

[Cyclonepride]

Not sure if this has been posted, but high praise from McCasland for Tamin. You can tell he just enjoys the heck out of good basketball and has a ton of respect for the way Lipsey plays.

 

[CySmurf]

ah its gonna be the same game as last time

Oh, almost nailed it Darius... (rolls eyes)

 

[interrobang]

Oh, almost nailed it Darius... (rolls eyes)

Always too optimistic for me!

 

[VeloClone]

Taco Tekkies online whining about losing because they didn't have their best player. Of course, this was after a few weeks back making a point to brag about beating ISU on its home court without that best player. And of course not realizing playing this card right now makes them look like total dumbasses.

ISU wasn't getting a lot of sympathy last year down 2 starters. Injuries are part of the game.