Will Prohm ever win a championship?

[Cat Stevens]

Yes, this weekend I have been in all weekend and now that I am interested in a lot of the conversation, I am checking this site more frequently than normal.

I actually put my money on Iowa State against Ole Miss and Tech. Didn't against OU. Tempted to take -9 tomorrow even though ISU has lost straight up 3 times with a spread this big at home. I don't want to see them lose, just don't think Prohm the coach is all he is cracked up to be. There seems to be more lately that agree with me. I am sorry you disagree.

What a load of nonsense.

Why are you interested in the conversation now, but not after we beat a top 10 team on their floor?

And the humor of this is that we have a bunch of cliff jumpers on here that will be right back on the wagon when we win again.

 

[Doc]

Decided to dig up other power conference coaching changes from 2015 to compare the current state of our program and team against the state of their program and team.

Florida - Michael White: They've had more success with that Elite 8, but I think we're in a comparable situation. Success should be easier there.
St. Johns - Chris Mullin: We're better.
Texas - Shaka: We're better.
Tennessee - Rick Barnes. They're better. They also beat us for 2 key guard recruits.
Arizona State Bobby Hurley- They've been trendy, but we're better, and haven't bought as many recruits.
Mississippi State: Ben Howland: Similar to us this year. Took him 4 years to get back to a good level.
Alabama - Avery Johnson: We're better.

And don't forget who we chose Prohm over in addition to TJ. They have both gotten their shots and struggled.

Brad Underwood: hasn't shown much since SFA.
Bryce Drew - 0-14 in the SEC this year.

 

[MartyFine]

Good lord, I know you guys loved you some Hoiberg but the dude never lost less than 6 Big 12 games and never went undefeated at home and made one trip past the first weekend of the tourney. You guys act like he was out there that had a ton of success. If you're going to always compare Prohm to Hoiberg maybe you should at least have a better understanding of what Hoiberg really accomplished. You vastly overstate Hoiberg's abilities based on him being "The Mayor" and for being a big improvement over the terrible coach prior to him. If Prohm wins one game in the ncaa tourney, he will match Hoiberg's total number of ncaa wins and has already advanced as far in the tourney with Fred's players (Sweet 16) as Fred did with Fred's players.

The only coach that compares to Steve Prohm is Wayne Morgan as Prohm’s teams are about as well prepared to play every night as Morgan’s

 

[NWICY]

That's certainly not a fair view of the coaching job market. Most schools don't just snap their fingers and have someone. It's that strange combination of openings and coaches quietly floating their names out there.

Since we don't have any of that info, why press for specific names unless you just want to ridicule whatever names he puts out there

Prohm has a lot of failings as an in-game coach. It's not unfair to say that.We can even specify that it's a virtual guarantee in close games that we'll barely score the last 4-6 minutes, and inbounds situations are always going to be a struggle.

But calling him out about names for a coaching search when he can't have any info to respond with is just trying to set the guy up for ridicule. That's weak.

Meh given his posting history I think it's an acceptable question.

 

[rochclone]

Im not even angry anymore, more like apathetic. The best we can do at this point is to finish the season strong and hope to improve our seeding.

Tough to consider you truly apathetic when both you and JSB have been going at for 1.5 days. If you were apathetic you wouldn’t be posting at all.

 

[Cyched]

Decided to dig up other power conference coaching changes from 2015 to compare the current state of our program and team against the state of their program and team.

Florida - Michael White: They've had more success with that Elite 8, but I think we're in a comparable situation. Success should be easier there.
St. Johns - Chris Mullin: We're better.
Texas - Shaka: We're better.
Tennessee - Rick Barnes. They're better. They also beat us for 2 key guard recruits.
Arizona State Bobby Hurley- They've been trendy, but we're better, and haven't bought as many recruits.
Mississippi State: Ben Howland: Similar to us this year. Took him 4 years to get back to a good level.
Alabama - Avery Johnson: We're better.

And don't forget who we chose Prohm over in addition to TJ. They have both gotten their shots and struggled.

Brad Underwood: hasn't shown much since SFA.
Bryce Drew - 0-14 in the SEC this year.

And worth noting that Barnes is a veteran coach. Texas is the real loser in that carousel.

Underwood should have stayed at OSU, he was a good fit there.

 

[Cat Stevens]

Tough to consider you truly apathetic when both you and JSB have been going at for 1.5 days. If you were apathetic you wouldn’t be posting at all.

Hey good job of maintaining some perspective. Unless lion is your alt account,

 

[rochclone]

If you can't or won't provide any actual names, then quit bringing it up.

I don’t think he should be fired but if I was an AD at a Top 30 program looking to make a change I would contact the following;
(1) Gregg Marshall
(2) Mick Cronin
(3) Nate Oates
(4) Kevin Keats
(5) Kelvin Sampson
(6) Mike Hopkins

 

[rochclone]

Hey good job of maintaining some perspective. Unless lion is your alt account,

Just because I’ve restrained from venting doesn’t mean I’m not pissed. The team and staff needs to respond in the next four games. 10-8 is mandatory if we are to have any positive momentum heading to KC where we have an opportunity to beat Baylor on Thursday.

 

[Cat Stevens]

I don’t think he should be fired but if I was an AD at a Top 30 program looking to make a change I would contact the following;
(1) Gregg Marshall
(2) Mick Cronin
(3) Nate Oates
(4) Kevin Keats
(5) Kelvin Sampson
(6) Mike Hopkins

No to Cronin, plus he’s a divorced father with his kids close. He wins, but ethically not so much.

Obviously the same can be said about Sampson on steroids

 

[rochclone]

No to Cronin, plus he’s a divorced father with his kids close. He wins, but ethically not so much.

Obviously the same can be said about Sampson on steroids

I appreciate the concerns about Cronin and Sampson is older but nobody can doubt the guy is a 10/10 with in-game adjustments. He maximized his teams at OU and I don’t think there are too many better coached teams than Houston the last two years.

Marshall is ready to make a move IMO.

 

[clonedlion]

Still don't know what my agenda is. Thanks to others for putting out some names, but I agree with Erik. We can't possibly know what types of games/names are out there.

I will also repeat, I am not yet advocating Prohm to be fired. Simply saying he continues to make the same errors year after year. I hope it improves.

I am on record as saying Cyclones win big tomorrow and hope that is what they need to propel them forward.

Have a pleasant rest of your evening to everyone.

 

[FourTops]

No to Cronin, plus he’s a divorced father with his kids close. He wins, but ethically not so much.

Obviously the same can be said about Sampson on steroids

I rarely come on here, but do you ever share any of your brilliant ideas or just **** all over everyone else's?

 

[ISUChippewa]

Still don't know what my agenda is. Thanks to others for putting out some names, but I agree with Erik. We can't possibly know what types of games/names are out there.

I will also repeat, I am not yet advocating Prohm to be fired. Simply saying he continues to make the same errors year after year. I hope it improves.

I am on record as saying Cyclones win big tomorrow and hope that is what they need to propel them forward.

Have a pleasant rest of your evening to everyone.

The smarmy "Who, me?" you keep on trying to pull is getting real tiresome.

But, what errors do you see him keep on making season after season? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Doc]

I don’t think he should be fired but if I was an AD at a Top 30 program looking to make a change I would contact the following;
(1) Gregg Marshall
(2) Mick Cronin
(3) Nate Oates
(4) Kevin Keats
(5) Kelvin Sampson
(6) Mike Hopkins

It’s fine to contact those guys, but it’d be a lateral move for Keats and Hopkins. They are better situated where they’re at. Who knows on Marshall, but he hasn’t been given enough money to switch jobs yet.

 

[rochclone]

It’s fine to contact those guys, but it’d be a lateral move for Keats and Hopkins. They are better situated where they’re at. Who knows on Marshall, but he hasn’t been given enough money to switch jobs yet.

I don’t think it is a lateral move for Hopkins given the direction of the PAC-12. They are a couple more down years away from implosion and becoming the Mountain West.

 

[UnCytely]

So ISU is going to be around .500 this year or struggle to even get into the tourney or NIT?

I still say that Prohm is a good coach. He needs to figure out how to win at home. Anyway, the OP implied that because we improved a lot from last year to this year, Prohm is a good coach. We improved that much because of excellent recruiting, not necessarily because of excellent coaching, and that a coach can be an excellent recruiter without being a good coach. I pointed to Morgan and McDermott for that argument.

 

[Cat Stevens]

I rarely come on here, but do you ever share any of your brilliant ideas or just **** all over everyone else's?

You read it when you’re on your regular account.

 

[rochclone]

I would be interested in how people view the Iowa State program/job compared to others in the Big 12. Facilities, recruiting, fanbases, etc.

I think many of us view Iowa State as the 3rd most desirable program in the Big 12 behind Kansas and Texas. I also know that we generally pay coaches including Fred and Steve in the lower 3rd of the league. Maybe we are the 7th or 8th most desirable program in the league and should be ecstatic to get to the NCAA tournament 75% of the time.

Just interested where everyone thinks the Iowa State program ranks.

 

[ISUChippewa]

I would be interested in how people view the Iowa State program/job compared to others in the Big 12. Facilities, recruiting, fanbases, etc.

I think many of us view Iowa State as the 3rd most desirable program in the Big 12 behind Kansas and Texas. I also know that we generally pay coaches including Fred and Steve in the lower 3rd of the league. Maybe we are the 7th or 8th most desirable program in the league and should be ecstatic to get to the NCAA tournament 75% of the time.

Just interested where everyone thinks the Iowa State program ranks.

Objectively, I would put us behind, and not necessarily in order;

Kansas
Texas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Kansas State
West Virginia

I wrote the other two "state" schools because I think their history is a bit better than ours. Kansas is a no-brainer, West Virginia has been really good under Huggins (until this season), and OU and Texas have more and better resources.

I do think we're a better program than the rest of the Texas schools.