This is why Prohm must go........

[CycloneErik]

Barring a late change of heart, (Bridges), a projected lottery pick in the 2017 NBA draft, plans to return for his sophomore season, sources told The Vertical.

Despite coach Tom Izzo, family and even Spartans NBA alumni and professional agents encouraging him to leave, Bridges is telling everyone that it’s his intention to bypass the draft, sources told The Vertical.

"I want to finish business here," he said, per Brendan F. Quinn of MLive.com. "I want to stay."

Bleacher Report's NBA draft guru Jonathan Wasserman had Bridges going in the lottery at No. 11 overall to the Portland Trail Blazers in his mock draft on March 10.

Again, I doubt Tyrese makes the decision to stay. But to say there is no way he comes back would not be entirely accurate. It's happened before with high level players who really love their school and situation.

Just went to wiki to look at that 2018 NBA draft Bridges stayed for. Not exactly a loaded field, so he didn't take a huge chance there.

 

[CycloneTJS]

I just sit back an laugh at people wondering why we can't rebound against the likes of Baylor, Kansas, Iowa,........Just look at this line up Steve had in for several minutes the other night....I've seen YMCA lunch league teams taller/stronger than this....meanwhile, how many minutes have Conditt and Young played together on the court this year? Virtually ZERO. And the worst thing - these 4 guard sets can't even remotely guard the 3 pointer or guard the dribble penetration...add in their combined 110 of 324 from 3 pt range, and I'm not sure what Coach was thinking this group would do?!?!?

 

[VeloClone]

This season is going to end up worse than any season McD had. I think 16 wins was his worst and there’s no way we get there this year. This program is a disaster right now.

14-18 in 2007-8.
I just looked it up because I couldn't remember.

But still, we always knew we'd hit double digits, and even then, we knew it wasn't good.
Signed, defender almost to the end.

I haven't read the whole thread, but I can't believe that people apparently just let this go.

Here is McDermott's record at ISU:
15-16, 6-10
14-18, 4-12
15-17, 4-12
15-17, 4-12

Not only was 16 wins not McDermott's worst season, he actually never even got 16 wins in a season and that was when there were only 16 conference games so he generally had 2 more non-con patsies than the schedule has today.

It is okay to be wrong, but this just reeks of just making stuff up to try to make a case that isn't even close to there.

 

[Sigmapolis]

I haven't read the whole thread, but I can't believe that people apparently just let this go.

Here is McDermott's record at ISU:
15-16, 6-10
14-18, 4-12
15-17, 4-12
15-17, 4-12

Not only was 16 wins not McDermott's worst season, he actually never even got 16 wins in a season and that was when there were only 16 conference games so he generally had 2 more non-con patsies then the schedule has today.

It is okay to be wrong, but this just reeks of just making stuff up to try to make a case that isn't even close to there.

People on here do not remember how bad the McD era was.

McD had one win over a ranked team. Ever. Period.

Even the "bad" 2017-2018 Prohm team had three.

This year's "bad" team has one already, and might yet nab another one or two.

"Bad" can be a very elastic adjective depending on your standards.

 

[Statefan10]

Just went to wiki to look at that 2018 NBA draft Bridges stayed for. Not exactly a loaded field, so he didn't take a huge chance there.

I don't think Bridges sat down and googled what the next year's NBA draft was looking like when he made his decision to stay. He was literally being told to leave by Izzo and other coaches but he wanted to stay due to him believing he hadn't done enough there.

I'm not saying that's what Tyrese is going to do, I'm just saying Tyrese seems like a guy that would do that. There's something about him.

 

[CycloneErik]

I haven't read the whole thread, but I can't believe that people apparently just let this go.

Here is McDermott's record at ISU:
15-16, 6-10
14-18, 4-12
15-17, 4-12
15-17, 4-12

Not only was 16 wins not McDermott's worst season, he actually never even got 16 wins in a season and that was when there were only 16 conference games so he generally had 2 more non-con patsies then the schedule has today.

It is okay to be wrong, but this just reeks of just making stuff up to try to make a case that isn't even close to there.

What case? I'm definitely not claiming that those 14 wins were significantly better, or that those teams were good.
Instead, I mocked myself by pointing out that I defended that record at the time when it was consistently awful.

Am I missing something here?

 

[CyCrazy]

People on here do not remember how bad the McD era was.

McD had one win over a ranked team. Ever. Period.

Even the "bad" 2017-2018 Prohm team had three.

This year's "bad" team has one already, and might yet nab another one or two.

"Bad" can be a very elastic adjective depending on your standards.

Most people have just erased the McD era from their memories. I know I did.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Most people have just erased the McD era from their memories. I know I did.

My six years in Ames corresponded with one year of Morgan, all of McDermott, and one year of Hoiberg. Trust me, I remember some bad basketball.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.

The problem is -- assume the Prohm era ends with a whimper and we move onto the next guy. Nothing says that cannot happen again if we **** up the hire.

Prohm is really trying my patience right now, but the haters on here do not seem very concerned with that downside risk. Prohm has proven he can win at Iowa State and has recruited a very competitive, even championship-caliber (as the haters insisted again and again) level team. Moving on from that does not guarantee you improve. It could send you on the downside of the cone of outcomes, like with our wookie friend.

 

[VeloClone]

...

ISU has outrebounded opponents 7 times this season. ISU has outrebounded 3 power 6 conference opponents. Seton Hall by 3 (their big guy was hurt), OU by 10 and Tech by 8.

You'll have to be more specific.

Even without Mamu, the Hall has 5 guys 6'9" or taller - ISU has 6'10" Conditt and 6'9" Jacobsen. Not counting Mamu (6'11") Seton Hall's bigs go 6'9", 6'10", 6'11", 7'2", and 7'2".

 

[VeloClone]

...

At this level, you're either a shooter or you're not. You have a pedigree or you don't. You're not likely to go from a non-shooter to an outside threat at this point in their basketball career.

Cristopherson, Thomas, Mitrou-Long, and McGee were shooters. That was their identity as players. I think Jackson falls into that category, but he's still adjusting to the speed of the game. Mitrou-Long and Thomas weren't instant hits as freshmen either.

We're also lacking guys that can get hot or are a threat. Guys like Morris, Niang, and Burton weren't great outside shooters, but they could get open (something our guys struggle with) and go off an any given night. I'd put Bolton in this category.

This is not necessarily true.

Fred Hoiberg shot .260 from three his freshman year on 50 attempts. He improved going .367, .450 and .412 his final three years. He kept working on it and improving culminating with shooting .483 and leading the league his final year in the NBA.

 

[fsanford]

Never really watched an Iowa game this year, but watched last night, their offense was in attack mode immediately, not a lot of dribbling out front. Hard screens, hard cuts.

Maryland had to work their ass off to try and guard it.

 

[Statefan10]

This is not necessarily true.

Fred Hoiberg shot .260 from three his freshman year on 50 attempts. He improved going .367, .450 and .412 his final three years. He kept working on it and improving culminating with shooting .483 and leading the league his final year in the NBA.

Yeah Nixon as a 5th year senior isn't going to all of a sudden turn it on the rest of the year, but saying Jackson and Grill won't figure out their stroke would be illogical to say. People forget that Grill and Jackson were in high school last year and because the line got moved even farther back in CBB this year, their transition becomes even harder. It happens to great college shooters who go to the NBA as well. It can take a lot of time to figure out your shot from one level to the next.

 

[VeloClone]

Remember the post from Niang’s mother after T.J. was hired back. Everyone was pumped but she knew exactly what it meant for Hoiberg staying.

I miss @GeorgesFan.

 

[DeereClone]

I haven't read the whole thread, but I can't believe that people apparently just let this go.

Here is McDermott's record at ISU:
15-16, 6-10
14-18, 4-12
15-17, 4-12
15-17, 4-12

Not only was 16 wins not McDermott's worst season, he actually never even got 16 wins in a season and that was when there were only 16 conference games so he generally had 2 more non-con patsies then the schedule has today.

It is okay to be wrong, but this just reeks of just making stuff up to try to make a case that isn't even close to there.

My 16 win number was wrong but do you see us getting to 14 wins on the season? I think my overall point still stands.

 

[ISUCubswin]

Halli——————Tre
Bolton—————Tre
Johnson
Griffin—————Foster
Conditt————-Solo

This years team sucks but I think we get better next year just by losing Jacobson and Nixon.

If Halliburton stays, it’s not like he’s definitely coming back to a **** show, that’s a decent roster up there with guys

 

[VeloClone]

Check out the differences between donation and season ticket expectations between Iowa State and the rest of the Big 12

Iowa State
Kansas State (Note: Courtside seats don't even appear on chart, so we still demand much more from our fan base financially)
Texas Tech
Oklahoma State
Oklahoma
Texas (How crazy is it we're neck and neck with hands down the most financially healthy Big 12 institution?)

West Virginia, TCU, Baylor, and Kansas have been more difficult to find as they don't appear to make their season tickets public now that we're halfway through the season.

Bottom line, if we're demanding more from our fans than most every Big 12 school financially, we should probably be putting a better product on the court for a coach than we currently are.

At ISU can't you buy multiple seats with just one donation? Aren't the donations good for both your football and basketball season ticket obligations? It appears that at many schools they are listing a per seat donation.

 

[VeloClone]

Hell I'd take Judas Iscariot if he could teach rebounding and offense.

Judas would never understand how to use the three point shot since they didn't have a three point line 2000 years ago.

Save money there, too. Guy worked cheap.

This website uses some gymnastics to put the price at $90-$3000 in today's dollars.

https://aleteia.org/2017/04/12/how-much-might-judas-30-pieces-of-silver-be-worth-today/

Based on the price of silver Wiki says something like $185 to $216 in today's dollars.

The word used in Matthew 26:15 (ἀργύρια, argyria) simply means "silver coins,"[11] and scholars disagree on the type of coins that would have been used. Donald Wiseman suggests two possibilities. They could have been tetradrachms of Tyre, usually referred to as Tyrian shekels (14 grams of 94% silver), or staters from Antioch (15 grams of 75% silver), which bore the head of Augustus.[12] Alternatively, they could have been Ptolemaic tetradrachms (13.5 ± 1 g of 25% silver).[13] There are 31.1035 grams per troy ounce. At spot valuation of $17.06/oz (the closing price on Monday, December 12, 2016), 30 "pieces of silver" would be worth between $185 and $216 in present-day value (USD).

Whatever the case, truly a steal.

 

[VeloClone]

What case? I'm definitely not claiming that those 14 wins were significantly better, or that those teams were good.
Instead, I mocked myself by pointing out that I defended that record at the time when it was consistently awful.

Am I missing something here?

I have a problem with the other post I quoted, not yours. I included your post because you were the only one who even attempted to correct the poster by suggesting that McDermott's worst was worse than 16 wins. I was going the next step by showing that he never even got to 16 wins.

 

[CycloneVet]

People on here do not remember how bad the McD era was.

McD had one win over a ranked team. Ever. Period.

Even the "bad" 2017-2018 Prohm team had three.

This year's "bad" team has one already, and might yet nab another one or two.

"Bad" can be a very elastic adjective depending on your standards.

McDermott was bad here, Prohm is nowhere near as bad

 

[VeloClone]

My six years in Ames corresponded with one year of Morgan, all of McDermott, and one year of Hoiberg. Trust me, I remember some bad basketball.

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.

The problem is -- assume the Prohm era ends with a whimper and we move onto the next guy. Nothing says that cannot happen again if we **** up the hire.

Prohm is really trying my patience right now, but the haters on here do not seem very concerned with that downside risk. Prohm has proven he can win at Iowa State and has recruited a very competitive, even championship-caliber (as the haters insisted again and again) level team. Moving on from that does not guarantee you improve. It could send you on the downside of the cone of outcomes, like with our wookie friend.

I see what you did there, Roy.