This is why Prohm must go........

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I really would find him much less maddening to deal with if he would just own it.

Eh, I tend to think the "X is a secret Y" reasoning on here is usually poor.

It is not like you gain anything from being closeted somehow.
 

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Rece is a great player and will likely be a lottery pick, but he’s not going to go down as an all-time great.

I think he already is...his demeanor and what seems like a genuine passion for ISU has cemented him as a favorite.

He might go down as a missed opportunity to see special things happen if there were a better situation around him.
 

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Rece is a great player and will likely be a lottery pick, but he’s not going to go down as an all-time great.

I responded to someone else about this. If he leaves early is the only reason he won't be cemented in with Niang, Morris or Long. He stays all four.......it's a no brainer. Imagine if Shayok would have had more than one year. Or THT and Lindell stayed until they were seniors. Longevity plays a HUGE role in tagging someone with that title.
 

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I responded to someone else about this. If he leaves early is the only reason he won't be cemented in with Niang, Morris or Long. He stays all four.......it's a no brainer. Imagine if Shayok would have had more than one year. Or THT and Lindell stayed until they were seniors. Longevity plays a HUGE role in tagging someone with that title.

Prohm has already had a few memorable players, if not a few all-timers.

Two good ones right here, including maybe the biggest shot in school history...

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Shayok should be/is up there with Royce and Kane for one-year wonders.

Tyrese is going to be one of our highest draft picks of all-time...

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Is Talen our first one-and-done guy, too?
 

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Lol, I did say that in the heat of a game thread, probably after i had been drinking during the game, and in the most frustrating loss in recent memory. I wasnt rational then, Im rational now, I dont think Prohm should be fired right now but he better get their **** together in the next 2 years.
 

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I responded to someone else about this. If he leaves early is the only reason he won't be cemented in with Niang, Morris or Long. He stays all four.......it's a no brainer. Imagine if Shayok would have had more than one year. Or THT and Lindell stayed until they were seniors. Longevity plays a HUGE role in tagging someone with that title.
I agree. It’s sad that people are thinking I’m knocking on Tyrese, when that’s far from the case.
 
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Lol, I did say that in the heat of a game thread, probably after i had been drinking during the game, and in the most frustrating loss in recent memory. I wasnt rational then, Im rational now, I dont think Prohm should be fired right now but he better get their **** together in the next 2 years.

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Because I didn't remember how this thread started, I went back and read the OP. (I now remember I swore off reading CF for a while after that loss.)
Going on 1500 posts later.
This is why this thread must go.
 

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Prohm has already had a few memorable players, if not a few all-timers.

Two good ones right here, including maybe the biggest shot in school history...

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Shayok should be/is up there with Royce and Kane for one-year wonders.

Tyrese is going to be one of our highest draft picks of all-time...

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Is Talen our first one-and-done guy, too?

You cannot be serious? Winning at the Phog is incredibly difficult, but to list a conference game winning shot as the biggest shot in school history, that didn't result in an eventual conference championship is laughable.
 

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You cannot be serious? Winning at the Phog is incredibly difficult, but to list a conference game winning shot as the biggest shot in school history, that didn't result in an eventual conference championship is laughable.

I did say "maybe." I could have phrased it as "one of."

We don't win in Phog Allen much.

We don't win conference championships much, either, despite protestations on here that should be the "standard" or the "minimum" or the "expectation."

Orr never did. Floyd never did. Larry did twice. Nobody since has.

It was just a ballsy shot. It is one of the biggest shots in school history. Period.
 

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I did say "maybe." I could have phrased it as "one of."

We don't win in Phog Allen much.

We don't win conference championships much, either, despite protestations on here that should be the "standard" or the "minimum" or the "expectation."

Orr never did. Floyd never did. Larry did twice. Nobody since has.

It was just a ballsy shot. It is one of the biggest shots in school history. Period.

It does make me wonder what would be the biggest shot. The 00-01 championships didn’t come down to a final shot.

I’m too young to remember clearly, but there had to be a clutch shot in either of these:

1986 second round win vs Michigan (I wasn’t alive so someone will have to help me out)
1996 Big 12 championship
1997 second round vs Cincinnati

Kane’s go ahead layup against UNC might be the biggest shot in my lifetime
 

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It does make me wonder what would be the biggest shot. The 00-01 championships didn’t come down to a final shot.

I’m too young to remember clearly, but there had to be a clutch shot in either of these:

1986 second round win vs Michigan (I wasn’t alive so someone will have to help me out)
1996 Big 12 championship
1997 second round vs Cincinnati

Kane’s go ahead layup against UNC might be the biggest shot in my lifetime

That might be a fun thread on its own and/or mailbag question.
 
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1. I never said I disliked him from the beginning. I simply said in June 2015 I heard some culture changes he was trying to implement that I didnt think would be a good fit for the basketball program.

I will also go on the record as saying I didnt think his previous resume at Murray warranted a jump to a job like he got at the time. I clearly remember Pollard saying one of the reasons he got the job was his similarities to Hoiball and that he didnt want to make drastic style changes based on the roster he inherited.

2. Yes, thats corrrect, Ive already discussed this enough on here so there is no point in rehashing that. Hoibergs last season in the grand scheme of things was a more successful season than Prohms first. Prohm's 2nd team was also a more successful team than his first. To answer your question how I can justify this its quite simple, I dont judge the success of a season based of 1 NCAA tournament game.

3. No there weren't threads calling for Hoiberg after the UAB game. Why would there be? We had come off 4 of the most successful years in school history, with alot to be hopeful about for the future. The program is in a completely different state now than it was after the UAB loss.

Your last statement is ridiculous. I havent "had it out for him" from the start, hes had plenty of years to put together a resume. It's a cumulative effect at this point. Ive never even called for him to be fired. I dont have to, if he flames out this year and then we miss the tourney next year without Haliburton he will have plenty of critics at that point.

Yet you are harping on last season being a dissapointment because ISU lost to an 11 seed in the first round of the NCAA tournament. Keep moving those goalposts dude.