The way too early '09 prediction thread

Call me crazy, but I'd call Austen, A Rob, Marquis, Houston, Darius, Sedrick, Derrick, Collin and 4/5 of the offensive line "a lot of talent coming back". And that doesnt even include possible newcomers, or LJ, who caused a lot of buzz.

You're crazy. That's adequate talent for let's say, a MAC team, but only Kansas State will compete with us for lowest talent level in the conference next year.

The thing that will sell tickets is faith and hope for the future, which most of us still have, thankfully. We aren't paying $1000 (avg) in expenses to watch Houston Jones take the field next season.
 
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You're crazy. That's adequate talent for let's say, a MAC team, but only Kansas State will compete with us for lowest talent level in the conference next year.

The thing that will sell tickets is faith and hope for the future, which most of us still have, thankfully. We aren't paying $1000 (avg) in expenses to watch Houston Jones take the field next season.
Wow you aren't a pessimist at all.
 
Wow you aren't a realist at all.

Fixed it for ya. I understand anyone who is pessimistic about next year. Why wouldn't you be? Our qb and rbs will be very solid Big 12 caliber players. Our line and receiving corps have yet to prove otherwise. Our defense would be outgunned in DIII. Just because someone isn't falling all over themselves about our chances next year doesn't mean they're any less of a fan. You don't have to drink the kool-aid...
 
Our line and receiving corps have yet to prove otherwise.

You don't see Catlett, Franklin, Darks or Hamilton as quality Big XII players? I understand about the line being unproven.

Let me guess, you picked us to be...7-5 this year? Maybe 8-4? How'd that work out for ya?
Worked out well for me. I wasn't dogging on our team. And it didn't hurt at all to admit that things didnt work out as well as I might have hoped.
 
I've seen many comments in here about how close we were in some games this year. Close doesn't put tic marks in the W column.

I like our potential on offense next year - but that will rely heavily on the line and play calling/scheme.

On defense - I'm very, very concerned. I don't know how a person can't be.

The only projection for '09 I have is this will be one of Pollard's toughest tasks yet in Ames - selling ISU FB tickets.
 
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You don't see Catlett, Franklin, Darks or Hamilton as quality Big XII players? I understand about the line being unproven.


Worked out well for me. I wasn't dogging on our team. And it didn't hurt at all to admit that things didnt work out as well as I might have hoped.

Cute. Are you the guy that fills out 5 NCAA Tournament brackets and only talks about the best one?
 
2-1 ,unless we upgrade the quality of our recruits considerably.then we might be able to get 4 wins.
 
Actually I picked them to have 5 wins. But to say our offensive talent should be in the MAC is just dumb and naive.

I was addressing the talent on the team as a whole. Only looking at the offense is a little naive.

If you think this team would have had a winning record in the MAC we will have to agree to disagree.
 
You don't see Catlett, Franklin, Darks or Hamilton as quality Big XII players? I understand about the line being unproven.


Worked out well for me. I wasn't dogging on our team. And it didn't hurt at all to admit that things didnt work out as well as I might have hoped.

They are adequate Big 12 players, and could develop into better, but are definitely below the conference average right now. Keep in mind, the best receivers in the country play in the Big 12, so "below the conference average" does not equate to "bad"...
 
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They are adequate Big 12 players, and could develop into better, but are definitely below the conference average right now. Keep in mind, the best receivers in the country play in the Big 12, so "below the conference average" does not equate to "bad"...


That works. Some of the Big 12 receivers are pretty incredible. Your characterization works for me.
 
6-6, outside shot at a bowl game next year. Anything less will be a major disappointment (kind of like this year), mainly because the next two years will be hard to improve. Anything can happen though!

Our offense should be pretty darn good. Not top 25 good, but good enough to win games. It's our defense that will decide whether or not we win games. Our main goal should be to have the ability to capitalize in the red zone on offense (because heaven knows we got there enough this year, but couldn't score!), and improve on 3rd down defense. If we can do those two things, we'll see improvements in the W-L record.
 
ISU’s 2-biggest failings are a consistent running game, and defense IMO. The gentleman who pointed out ISU’s inability to score 40 points on what were some of the absolute worst defense’s in the country is very true for sure.


But I feel compelled to defend A-clone as I would certainly choose to look at things with a modicum of hope as opposed to bitter pessimism. Which of course can always be called realism, but if it reaps the same fruit what’s the diff? Given all things (intelligence-ability) being equal I would always choose to be around someone who tries to look at things objectively but with a positive attitude.Being around the latter makes you want to jump!

Back on track………….Every year is a different year, every month a different month and every game a different game really. Obviously I'm a huge Iowa fan and a Big 10 fan first and foremost. But I am also c-football junkie and have always been a fan of the whole college landscape and in particular the Big 12 and SEC as a result. (Frame of reference, sorry) Let me give you a couple case studies to help you see how fickle things are. 1st off, you guys always play us to the nines (No I'm not going into a super bowl mantra, but follow me) Next year Iowa returns a lot of talent and may even be ranked pre-season. However that isn't always a recipe for success for Iowa. Why?!?!? Because they are over ranked??? That's the easy answer and it's much more subtle than that I think as they are hardly the only team that does better being over looked. Furthermore if we come into Ames next year with a really good football team, ranked about 20th I fully expect to be about a 10 point fav.!!!!! Stupid!!!! No matter how good we are or how bad you may be that game historically goes to the wire and talent has very little to do with it. We will have to be very fortunate to win that game & I sincerely mean that. If ISU goes 2-10 again and we end up 11-1 I still expect that one game to be very difficult. Now, why is that?!?!

More & more I think talent is the least important equation to winning at anything. Effort, attitude and momentum are paramount. What happens if you guys lose a tough game to Iowa in IC, but you're still feeling OK about it.(tell the truth you were) Then you head out to UNLV, sleep walk yet pull that out and then com back and crush KU as you were. Whole different season. Now bare in mind I'm not pimping ISU's talent. I think you're D is slow, and very poor tacklers, who aren't very physical out side of possibly Banks and LJ. But the point being, wins in those 2 games change your "stars" so-to-speak. I don't use Iowa as a win, because for what ever reason Iowa doesn't intimidate or excite you guys enough anymore to be a catalyst to a good season. Some teams just struggle with other teams and vice versa. You guys struggle with almost everyone in the BIG 12 and it's not because they are so dominating. As many of you have noted the North really is heinous right now and it's best team, Mizzou, plays absolutely no D at all. I, as had many of the compatriots on the Hawkeye Lounge (gave up my membership so I don't know what they think now) had really thought GC was changing that mind set, but this year was a major step back, so why?!?!?!

It's my opinion that it really comes down to defense and a running game (and the attitude that comes with them) for you guys. Iowa has had a lot of problems over the years (some real, some imagined by our enemies and our own) defense however has not be one of them. The reasons for that are good or bad, we have always put our athletes on D! I also think KF and staff are just better at identifying defensive talent IMHO. We are typically fast, athletic and physical on D (though I think that had been missing a tick the past 2 years) and when we get torched we give up 27 or 30 points, on a rare ocassion 35 or 38, not 40 or 50! Now many of you think this is because of the conference we play in but that isn't reality. I saw someone who seemed to believe that we "clogged" our field with water, to slow down ISU's speed and I'm here to tell you Iowa's wasn't afraid of ISU being faster and anyone who thinks that might be drinking Big 12 Kool-aid.

Which I mention because you guys have to get your best athletes over their 1st and foremost and then infuse the attitude that says I’m going to punch you in the mouth. And if you get past me I’m going to run you down and then punch you in the mouth.

People say Iowa struggles with spread teams, yet you guys and others have lamented not being able to punch it in, in the red zone and that is how we play. We are tough to run by because we tackle well, and we typically have enough speed to run people down if they get a gap. We don’t give up easy TD’s and we absolutely brutalize people all the way down the field (more so this year than the last 2) and it wears on them.

Now a dominant running game would help with all this and that has been fleeting the past couple years as well, so that is another are that needs immediately addressed. The QB and WR talent IMO is pretty good, and I think, "Stressing" think the O-line is serviceable. Many of you may not know (as I said I'm a junkie) but the Big 12 landscape will change a bit next year. OU loses their 3 best Wideouts and ALL 5-O-linemen. It's not impossible that Bradford goes Pro as I think he is a 3rd year Soph, but unlikely I’ll agree, but all the same they won't score points next year like thi past year. Their D however returns most everyone (good or bad) so I would expect them to get back to running a bit more and playing bang up D every game. Texas is more of the same, McCoy could definitely go Pro and they lose Shippley and Crosby along with 4- O-lineman but return most of their D. TT loses Morris, likely Crabtree and Harrell along with 3, O-linemen.

This post has gone on too long so I'll end it abruptly. My premise was to show how quickly the c-football landscape can change and you have to build a system and a mantra if you will, and it is my belief that it should start with D and running first and foremost, despite the popularity of the "spread"!

ISU needs to repair their attitude and image first then they can win football games. Not just beat Iowa but actually win some meaningful football games. You beating us and then losing 8 games, just frustrates us both. LOL...............sorry for the length!

Chad

 
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If Greene stays it is because the boosters bought his grades. That guy is DUMB.

Whoa he got himself back into Iowa! He has actually been attending classes and doing quite well in them! So i think your statement is a little off!


As far as ISU records next year! I think ISU is in for a GREAT year next year! They had several games this year where they were in the game! Just had a bad turnover or a bad break happen!
My early prediciton is 7-5! Insight Bowl!
 
Whoa he got himself back into Iowa! He has actually been attending classes and doing quite well in them! So i think your statement is a little off!


As far as ISU records next year! I think ISU is in for a GREAT year next year! They had several games this year where they were in the game! Just had a bad turnover or a bad break happen!
My early prediciton is 7-5! Insight Bowl!

If this happens I'd be absolutely shocked. We can't stop a dead penguin. We'll win 3 games because we can outscore a 1AA opponent and we'll pull 2 out of our butts, but they'll be close.
 
We don’t give up easy TD’s and we absolutely brutalize people all the way down the field (more so this year than the last 2) and it wears on them.

You must have missed your game this year against Northwestern.

1. Their safety, Phillips, "brutalized" Green, knocking him out of the game.
2. Northwestern wore Iowa down, getting the last three TD's of the game for the win. They were the more physical team.
3. After Green went out, Iowa stopped trying to run, as the Northwestern DL was dominant.
 
You must have missed your game this year against Northwestern.

1. Their safety, Phillips, "brutalized" Green, knocking him out of the game.
2. Northwestern wore Iowa down, getting the last three TD's of the game for the win. They were the more physical team.
3. After Green went out, Iowa stopped trying to run, as the Northwestern DL was dominant.


So thats all you could take out of that thread eh?!?!? And Iowa fans are the hostile and delusional?
 
So thats all you could take out of that thread eh?!?!? And Iowa fans are the hostile and delusional?

No, I also got out of it that you used "we" when describing Iowa something like a million times, as if you're on the team or something. You're just a SPECTATOR, just like the rest of us...