*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****

[CyForPresident]

TCU expected to approve move to Big 12 | Texas Christian University | Sports News and Videos ...

TCU to approve the move tomorrow. TCU won yesterday too against SDCU.

 

[Rickybaby]

Here is my latest prediction:

WVU or Mizzou to SEC and other in Big 12. Louisville and BYU join BIG 12.

Big East picks up Temple, Memphis, ECU and UCF for all sports to get back to 16 for BB. Navy, Air Force and Army join for FB only to go to 12 in FB.

MWC and CUSA will merge remaining 18 schools (9 left from each) to form a conference.

BCS would then have 10 conferences and ND on the BCS board, so any vote would require 6 votes for majority. 5 bigger conferences (6AQ wo Big East) and ND vote that Big East is no longer AQ, but that highest non AQ school gets auto bid if in Top 12 in exchange for removing restriction on 2 bids per conference.

Yeah, I'm thinking is something like this too. It essentially boils down to this:
1) WV to SEC
2) BYU and Louiv to B12 to get back to 12
3) BE grabs whatever remaining leftovers wherever they may exist as a desperate attempt to stay alive.
4) MWC and CUSA merge; see 3.
5) There is no way 3 and 4 can survive long term and are excluded from all major bowl activity/tournament games if that comes around. They will break up within 3 years into 4 conferences; 3 that have football and 1 that doesn't.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

Mark Kiszla: Air Force preparing to leave Mountain West for Big East - The Denver Post

"We were approached by the Big 12, and I told them we're not a good fit for that conference. In the Big 12, geography makes sense, the economics make sense, but recruiting makes no sense for us. I can't recruit against Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State," Mueh said.

"That's why I turned down the Big 12. I can't do that to my kids, because they'll get beat up. I'd love the extra $12 million or whatever it would be per year from the TV money. And I know how I'd spend the money. I'd build a new soccer stadium, and I'd build a new baseball facility, all in one year. But I can't do that."

 

[twojman]

What are the odds that both MIzzou and W VA are not in the SEC and in the Big 12 instead?

 

[HFCS]

A thousand dudes...one thread

Better than a thousand dudes and one jar.

 

[Wesley]

For BYU joining is hamstrung by their current ESPN contract to show 8 games. Everytime we look around, ESPN has some chew in the game.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

For BYU joining is hamstrung by their current ESPN contract to show 8 games. Everytime we look around, ESPN has some chew in the game.

IMO, BYU ship has sailed without AFA. Seems like, since we did approach AFA, that they were a pair or neither situation. ESPN sure has done a good job ****blocking Big12 stability with some of their contracts.

 

[twojman]

IMO, BYU ship has sailed without AFA. Seems like, since we did approach AFA, that they were a pair or neither situation. ESPN sure has done a good job ****blocking Big12 stability with some of their contracts.

Another reason why college football needs another bidder. Step up NBC!

 

[bluestarcyclone]

AFA not coming makes sense. Knew there would be a ceiling on the type of recruits AFA could get.

 

[bluestarcyclone]

IMO, BYU ship has sailed without AFA. Seems like, since we did approach AFA, that they were a pair or neither situation. ESPN sure has done a good job ****blocking Big12 stability with some of their contracts.

I wonder how long before we see antitrust investigations on ESPN. They have an extremely large amount of power in the multi-billion dollar sports industry. Everyone likes to call out the schools leaving for places or the raiding conference commishes, but no one wants to call out ESPN for its role in all of this, because everyone is taking checks from ESPN.

 

[Al_4_State]

AFA not coming makes sense. Knew there would be a ceiling on the type of recruits AFA could get.

Yup. They knew they would be cannon fodder in a lot of Big 12 games. They value competitiveness above conference prestige and I respect that.

 

[cyman05]

From the Denver Post article sounds like Army will be in the Big East :

Air Force and Navy have negotiated extensively to ensure they move together to the Big East, and gone so far as to lobby Army to join them as football partners in the league.
Mueh insisted: "The Big East wants Army. Absolutely." The Black Knights, however, have concerns their program might not be ready for the rigors of playing West Virginia and other top teams in the Big East on a regular basis.

Well...sounds like a matter of time until all 3 service academies join the Big East. Once West Virginia is gone that makes 8 FB teams and 14 football teams assuming the service academies don't play basketball.

Mueh believes the league will soon have 10 football-playing members. He also termed any uncertainty in the league's automatic qualifying status for the BCS as not a deal-breaker for the Falcons.

Adding two more of the group of Temple/Central Florida/East Carolina makes 10 FB teams with 16 football teams.

Do they stop there or go up to 12 FB teams??? I think adding a championship game would really help perception and give them a good extra chunk of change too. Adding Villanova and someone else would get them to 12 with only 17 BB teams. You could have a 16 BB conf. games or add another BB conf game or two with a home-home rivalry game(s).

I'd go to 12 if I were them instead of 10, but it'll be interesting to see what they do.

 

[HoopsTournament]

From the Denver Post article sounds like Army will be in the Big East :

Well...sounds like a matter of time until all 3 service academies join the Big East. Once West Virginia is gone that makes 8 FB teams and 14 football teams assuming the service academies don't play basketball.

Adding two more of the group of Temple/Central Florida/East Carolina makes 10 FB teams with 16 football teams.

Do they stop there or go up to 12 FB teams??? I think adding a championship game would really help perception and give them a good extra chunk of change too. Adding Villanova and someone else would get them to 12 with only 17 BB teams. You could have a 16 BB conf. games or add another BB conf game or two with a home-home rivalry game(s).

I'd go to 12 if I were them instead of 10, but it'll be interesting to see what they do.

Right now conference is at 6 FB and 14 BB with PITT, Syracuse leaving and TCU not coming. If service academies join FB only and WVU leaves, it is 8 and 13. Most likely, VIllanova moves up in FB and they add 3 more ( or 4 more if Louisville also leaves). That would be 12 in FB AND 16 in BB.

Most likely right now are Temple, UCF and ECU.

 

[cyman05]

Right now conference is at 6 FB and 14 BB with PITT, Syracuse leaving and TCU not coming. If service academies join FB only and WVU leaves, it is 8 and 13. Most likely, VIllanova moves up in FB and they add 3 more ( or 4 more if Louisville also leaves). That would be 12 in FB AND 16 in BB.

Most likely right now are Temple, UCF and ECU.

Yeah, good catch. After WVU, and adding the 3 service academies, they'd be at 8FB/13BB. So if they just added 2 more all-sports schools to get to 10 in FB like the article suggested, they'd be at 10FB/15BB.

So you're right, it almost makes too much sense for them not to
1. Add the 3 service academies
2. Add Villanova to FB
3. Add Temple, Central Florida, and East Carolina to get to 12FB/16BB.

The numbers would work perfectly. They could sign some grant of rights agreement like the B12 to get some stability. It's still be a pretty geographically relevant conference as all schools would be in the eastern time zone (except Air Force). Adding the 3 service academies would give them some political clout in case superconferences formed again, as well as making the other conferences afraid of taking away their BCS status. Getting to 12 instead of 10 would help increase the chances they'd have some ranked teams and help financially too. And unless they want to dip into Texas for SMU or Houston, there are really no realistic options left for any eastern US teams.

 

[Cydwinder]

Yeah, good catch. After WVU, and adding the 3 service academies, they'd be at 8FB/13BB. So if they just added 2 more all-sports schools to get to 10 in FB like the article suggested, they'd be at 10FB/15BB.

So you're right, it almost makes too much sense for them not to
1. Add the 3 service academies
2. Add Villanova to FB
3. Add Temple, Central Florida, and East Carolina to get to 12FB/16BB.

The numbers would work perfectly. They could sign some grant of rights agreement like the B12 to get some stability. It's still be a pretty geographically relevant conference as all schools would be in the eastern time zone (except Air Force). Adding the 3 service academies would give them some political clout in case superconferences formed again, as well as making the other conferences afraid of taking away their BCS status. Getting to 12 instead of 10 would help increase the chances they'd have some ranked teams and help financially too. And unless they want to dip into Texas for SMU or Houston, there are really no realistic options left for any eastern US teams.

These aren't determined by quantity of teams. It's all about quality. The MAC currently has 12 teams and they don't have many ranked teams if any. Granted the Big East still has better teams, but the argument that more teams equals more money doesn't always make sense.

 

[cyman05]

These aren't determined by quantity of teams. It's all about quality. The MAC currently has 12 teams and they don't have many ranked teams if any. Granted the Big East still has better teams, but the argument that more teams equals more money doesn't always make sense.

1. Yes, more teams doesn't equal ranked teams, but it doesn't hurt that the more teams you add, the better the chances that someone is going to find themselves ranked

2. As far as money, getting to 12 over 10 = a championship game...which the big conferences are getting 20-25 million a year for. Even if the Big East gets 12 million for their championship game, it will help their TV contract significantly over 10 teams.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Yeah, good catch. After WVU, and adding the 3 service academies, they'd be at 8FB/13BB. So if they just added 2 more all-sports schools to get to 10 in FB like the article suggested, they'd be at 10FB/15BB.

So you're right, it almost makes too much sense for them not to
1. Add the 3 service academies
2. Add Villanova to FB
3. Add Temple, Central Florida, and East Carolina to get to 12FB/16BB.

The numbers would work perfectly. They could sign some grant of rights agreement like the B12 to get some stability. It's still be a pretty geographically relevant conference as all schools would be in the eastern time zone (except Air Force). Adding the 3 service academies would give them some political clout in case superconferences formed again, as well as making the other conferences afraid of taking away their BCS status. Getting to 12 instead of 10 would help increase the chances they'd have some ranked teams and help financially too. And unless they want to dip into Texas for SMU or Houston, there are really no realistic options left for any eastern US teams.

The BCS AQ status is going to be an interesting decision. If there end up being only 10 conf, then 5 conf plus ND Are only needed for majority vote in changing rule, so if CUSA and MWC merge, it is huge. But Political influence is big also. I think that the rest (inc Big East) will get the Auto bid if in Top 12.

 

[Cydwinder]

1. Yes, more teams doesn't equal ranked teams, but it doesn't hurt that the more teams you add, the better the chances that someone is going to find themselves ranked

2. As far as money, getting to 12 over 10 = a championship game...which the big conferences are getting 20-25 million a year for. Even if the Big East gets 12 million for their championship game, it will help their TV contract significantly over 10 teams.

I understand what you're saying. I think the BE could still be a viable conference if they add the right teams. It is in an interesting situation though because of the non-football schools too though. Unless some teams are added as FB only, these other basketball powerhouse schools might not be happy adding Navy, AF, etc. Just a thought I had.

 

[HoopsTournament]

Big East ready to go after Boise State? - The Boston Globe College Sports Blog - Boston.com

 

[Wesley]

Dan Beebe says Big 12 now taking steps he touted - Boston.com

Beebe said in a phone interview with The Associated Press on Sunday that Oklahoma, Nebraska and even Texas A&M were interested in "developing their own distribution systems" for their sports programs.

"The institutional networks were part of the design of what we were doing when we were negotiating our contract with Fox," Beebe said. "We were for the first time deliberately setting out to reserve the right for every school to do a football game and to do significant other content that wasn't able to be done previously.

"What wasn't counted on in allowing that was the degree of support and the amount of revenue that was able to be achieved by the Longhorn Network and even (Texas Athletic Director) DeLoss Dodds has said that isn't something he thought was going to happen either."