SDSU interested in Big 12
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Iowa's not a city. :wink: I think he just meant non-state state schools.
That's the thing... if we're going to reach well out of our geographic area, a USF or UCF would probably make a lot more sense than an SDSU.
Just because the school is in a large market doesn't mean they have a fan base. I live in Phoenix, and even though there are closet ASU fans, the overall fan base is very, very small. I am a season ticket holder(only because I have to fill the void of not being a season ticket holder for ISU) and no one really cares down here. It's all about the Cardinals here just like it's all about the Chargers in SD. College sports don't matter as much in large markets that have a number of professional teams. It's just the way it is.
And don't give me this bs that SDSU brings more to the table than Cincinnati, Louisville, WVU, SMU, Air Force, Navy, Army or any of the other schools that have been mentioned with the Big 12. Hell, UCF and USF bring a **** ton more and they are just as far away.
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Sunset is right SDSU would be like an SMU was in SWC days (probably with a lot less cheating) and rise big in FB if in a major conference due to recruiting rich local area.
I think the main reason SDSU and the Florida schools are NOT seriously being considered is precisely because of that. Like in real estate, recruiting is all about location, location, location.
If I'm being recruited by middle tier conference teams and a conference team in my state, very good chance conference team in my state has a location advantage.
If Big 12 lets in Florida and Southern Cal teams that are currently perceived as less than and they become dominant in the New Big 12, it fails. That's probably the bottom line.
I think the main reason SDSU and the Florida schools are NOT seriously being considered is precisely because of that. Like in real estate, recruiting is all about location, location, location.
If I'm being recruited by middle tier conference teams and a conference team in my state, very good chance conference team in my state has a location advantage.
If Big 12 lets in Florida and Southern Cal teams that are currently perceived as less than and they become dominant in the New Big 12, it fails. That's probably the bottom line.
If distance is the determining factor, consider this:
It's 1780 miles from Ames to San Diego. The area between LA and San Diego almost makes it a worthwhile trip, imho, but it's still a long way. Would be a great getaway for a FB or winter time BB game, take in the Palm Springs area, etc.
It's a little less than 1400 miles to the Florida schools mentioned.
1130 miles from Ames to Provo, UT.
962 miles from Ames to Austin
883 miles to Morgantown, WV. Closer than Austin. Plus, they've got the Mountaineer roaming the sidelines with the squirrel gun.
As expected, the winnah, distance wise is: Louisville, 610 miles from Ames. A little more than 100 miles closer than the trip to Boulder was. But no mountains.
It's 1780 miles from Ames to San Diego. The area between LA and San Diego almost makes it a worthwhile trip, imho, but it's still a long way. Would be a great getaway for a FB or winter time BB game, take in the Palm Springs area, etc.
It's a little less than 1400 miles to the Florida schools mentioned.
1130 miles from Ames to Provo, UT.
962 miles from Ames to Austin
883 miles to Morgantown, WV. Closer than Austin. Plus, they've got the Mountaineer roaming the sidelines with the squirrel gun.
As expected, the winnah, distance wise is: Louisville, 610 miles from Ames. A little more than 100 miles closer than the trip to Boulder was. But no mountains.
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We already have KSU, have many junior colleges does the Big 12 need. There needs to be some academic standards in this conference!
You are absolutely insane. San Diego county has a population of over 3 million people. Luisville has about 700k, the entire state of Kentucky only has 4 million. West Virginia only has 1.8 million. Do you understand how t.v. revenues work?
Military acadamies? Really?
O.k., it just hit me. You're a Zonie, you hate everything about CA. Makes total sense now.
SDSU does have a lot going for it. I just don't think the Big12 would go after them. Look at the schools mentioned most often as expansion candidates. TCU recruits like a BCS school already so the Big12 didn't just legitimize a non-BCS school. Same with BYU, adding them doesn't wake a sleeping giant, it just strengthens an already good program. WVa and the other Big East schools are already a BCS qualifiers so adding them doesn't increase the total number of BBCS eligible schools.
In short, schools that are already in BCS leagues or who consistently achieve at that level (TCU/BYU) will be expansion targets before teams that have not challenged for BCS bowls in the past or are not in a BCS league.
SDSU has had some good years, and I agree, they could be very good with BCS money. However, they have not been good enough to be a BCS buster like Boise, TCU or BYU. Those are teams that a LOT of people are touting as deserving to be in a BCS conference. SDSU is not at that level. Sorry.
I don't know for sure, but if the Chargers leave town, would the cost for SDSU to use Quallcom go through the roof? Part of the reason they can afford to use the venue is because it is maintained and staffed with money from the Chargers. Without that money they might be operating at a loss if they don't raise the rent for SDSU.
Lastly, geography does mean something, especially to fans. If SDSU were in the Big12, there would be a lot less fans travelling to SDSU than to KU due to distance.
In short, schools that are already in BCS leagues or who consistently achieve at that level (TCU/BYU) will be expansion targets before teams that have not challenged for BCS bowls in the past or are not in a BCS league.
SDSU has had some good years, and I agree, they could be very good with BCS money. However, they have not been good enough to be a BCS buster like Boise, TCU or BYU. Those are teams that a LOT of people are touting as deserving to be in a BCS conference. SDSU is not at that level. Sorry.
I don't know for sure, but if the Chargers leave town, would the cost for SDSU to use Quallcom go through the roof? Part of the reason they can afford to use the venue is because it is maintained and staffed with money from the Chargers. Without that money they might be operating at a loss if they don't raise the rent for SDSU.
Lastly, geography does mean something, especially to fans. If SDSU were in the Big12, there would be a lot less fans travelling to SDSU than to KU due to distance.
Same reason SMU and Houston have little chance at the Big12. No BCS league wants to legitimize a non BCS team in a state that they already control. For the Pac12 it doesn't benefit USC, UCLA, CAL, or Standford to have another Pac12 member in the state.
I think the only reason TCU made it into the league is because they are just that good and have been deserving of a BCS conference for a while. They also have a pretty solid program and facilities without BCS money so adding that cash isn't going to by such a HUGE increase in revenue. Basically, TCU was going to be in a BCS league eventually, so why not the Big12 to help stabilize the conference.
Ok seriously, how many people in SD county are Aztec fans? The number is smaller than the number of Louisville fans and WAY smaller than the WVU fan base. I'd like to see the tv numbers that lowly SDSU brings to the table compared to these two schools. I know a number of people from SD and not one of them gives a **** about SDSU or any school in the SD area.
And as for your other moronic comment, I have lived in PHX for 10 months and could care less about this so called "hatred" that us "Zonies"(btw, I have not ever heard that before) have for Cali. I don't know anyone here that hates California. Why the hell would anyone hate California? San Fran, maybe, LA maybe, but San Diego is actually an awesome city. Nice try though.
It is not only how big the market is, but also how big of a number a game will get. I would venture a guess that WV generally gets a better number than SDSU. However, market size is obviously important.
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For the record I have no interest in SDSU in the Big 12. However, I think what people are selling is potential. Everybody agrees that today they have next to nothing in the way of a fan base - much like people fear will happen to ISU if we fell out of a BCS conference. In 1978 how many people in Miami or south Florida gave a crap about the Miami Hurricanes? Fast forward 10 years and they are the king of college football. Of course they might be heading back to nobody cares status but that is another story.
They won championships, no chance SDSU could ever do that. You build a fan base by winning, not just joining a bigger/better conference. Uggh, I hate bandwagon fans.
