***Rumor K-State & Snyder

Stop with the "zero talent" narrative, the fact is they were one competent quarterback away from easily making a bowl game and finishing 7-4 or 8-4. They took Iowa State to the wire and if you were at the game you could see there wasnt much of a talent disparity with the exception of Butler over their receivers.


So it was a coaching issue that held them back?
 
I will not speculate on anything. What I will tell young Cyclone fans is that Ron Prince was not fired only because of his record. The man was a total jerk and mistreated his staff, players and fans. K-Staters are patient people but will not tolerate a coach that is basically not a good person.
 
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Yeah, short list for all professions. Tony La Russa, maybe. It seemed like he could have kept on managing at a high level had he wanted to. I think Bill Walsh retired after winning a championship and he wasn't that old at the time. **** Vermeil nearly got it right by retiring after winning a Super Bowl with the Rams but then he came back to coach the Chiefs for a few years. I can't think of a single college football coach off the top of my head. I guess if Urban Meyer somehow weasels his way into the CFP this year, wins it, and then walks away he'd have a compelling case.

Bill Walsh came back to coach Stanford for three years, with losing seasons in his last two.

Phil Jackson?

Phil Jackson came back and crashed and burned in New York.
 
Phil Jackson came back and crashed and burned in New York.

As an executive, not as a head coach.

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I am surprised they chose Littrell over Venables if V was interested. I think both are reasonable choices, but Venables might be the top assistant in the country, and he is part of the Snyder tree and legacy. I would have figured they would have wanted that.

Littrell played at OU and has coached at KU and TTU, so at least he has some Big 8 and Big 12 experience in him. That could work out for them.
 
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As an executive, not as a head coach.

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I am surprised they chose Littrell over Venables if V was interested. I think both are reasonable choices, but Venables might be the top assistant in the country, and he is part of the Snyder tree and legacy. I would have figured they would have wanted that.

Littrell played at OU and has coached at KU and TTU, so at least he has some Big 8 and Big 12 experience in him. That could work out for them.

I think its easy to say Venables not interested... don't think they would turn him down.
 
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So, it look like 24/7 (and EMAW) are the only ones to break this story so far. Nothing on any other sports media outlet. Something tells me this retirement is not a done deal. If today is D-day I'll take the over..
 
I am surprised they chose Littrell over Venables if V was interested. I think both are reasonable choices, but Venables might be the top assistant in the country, and he is part of the Snyder tree and legacy. I would have figured they would have wanted that.

Well noted rumors Venables did something in his past that has him black balled as a head coach. Not sure what it was he did but they discuss it a lot on 810 radio down in KC.
 
I think its easy to say Venables not interested... don't think they would turn him down.

I would think that, too.

If he was into it, I would hire him in a heartbeat.

Just going on what the report said -- Taylor interviewed him and passed.

Of course, that report remains... unconfirmed.

Well noted rumors Venables did something in his past that has him black balled as a head coach. Not sure what it was he did but they discuss it a lot on 810 radio down in KC.

Interesting -- specifically at Kansas State or in general?

Not like he has not had a successful, prominent, and lucrative career otherwise.
 
I will not speculate on anything. What I will tell young Cyclone fans is that Ron Prince was not fired only because of his record. The man was a total jerk and mistreated his staff, players and fans. K-Staters are patient people but will not tolerate a coach that is basically not a good person.

Well old Bill is a Jerk to the media and apposing teams but the difference is he is really good internally to players and fans.
 
I would think that, too.


Interesting -- specifically at Kansas State or in general?

Not like he has not had a successful, prominent, and lucrative career otherwise.

I don't think it was at KSU I think it was when he was at OU but again no one mentions what it was but is the reason no one not even lower level teams has brought him in as a head coach.
 
I don't think it was at KSU I think it was when he was at OU but again no one mentions what it was but is the reason no one not even lower level teams has brought him in as a head coach.

I am not saying that you are wrong -- but it would be odd something would keep you from getting a lead job at, say, a MAC, American, or C-USA school would also somehow not keep you from being the DC at a top-flight program like OU or Clemson.
 
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I don't think it was at KSU I think it was when he was at OU but again no one mentions what it was but is the reason no one not even lower level teams has brought him in as a head coach.


If its that bad, why would teams hire him at all. They way they make it out, it seems like he was physical with a player or something worse, I wouldn't hire him for any reason if that was the case. I can't figure out what the cutline would be for wrong for a HC to do but not a top assistant.
 
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So it was a coaching issue that held them back?

Are you this dumb? I clearly state in my post their quarterback play was terrible this year. They have 2 guys with no accuracy. Once again, a competent passing game would have won them at least 2 or 3 more games. Got it?