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I'm going to make a definition here. Being a Cyclone is being a fan of ISU (university or it's sports teams.) If there were no sports teams, there would be no "Cyclones".

So, simply being a graduate of Iowa State University is not equal to being a Cyclone. That's like saying if you decided to go to the U of I to get an MD you'd automatically be a Hawkeye. One does not make the other.

if you play for ISU and complete your eligibility here, then you are a Cyclone forever. If you leave early to go to the pros, we'll that is what you were here for, so good on you and you are allowed to use Cyclone forever too. If you leave for another university, you are a former Cyclone, but a fomer Cyclone trying to better their personal position in life elsewhere because you choose to leave. That's OK, and you can feel an affinity to ISU, just understand you are way down the ladder from the other two situations and people might take offense to you claiming to be a Cyclone forever when you obviously aren't.
 
What about Jalen Travis? Is he a Cyclone for his one year at ISU or is it ok for Princeton to claim him? Does it make a difference that he's in the NFL?
 
Did Haluska get his undergrad from Iowa State? If he did, yes.

Rocco is more than just a football player. He got his ISU degree. I value that more than anything else.

Plus your assuming Rocco will support the school he spends the next year more than Iowa State over the rest of his life. I believe the opposite Rocco will love and value his ISU experience more.

So it comes down to whether they graduated? My definition is simple. Makes no difference where you started your college athletic career. It’s where you finished your college athletic career. Rocco is an Iowa State alumnus. Former Cyclone. Not a Forever Cyclone.a
 
What about Jalen Travis? Is he a Cyclone for his one year at ISU or is it ok for Princeton to claim him? Does it make a difference that he's in the NFL?
For me it’s like marriage. It’s where you finish. If you got married, divorced and remarried, you don’t say your ex wife is your wife. Your new wife is your wife.
 
For me it’s like marriage. It’s where you finish. If you got married, divorced and remarried, you don’t say your ex wife is your wife. Your new wife is your wife.
Makes sense.
I think if I was a Princeton supporter, I'd be claiming him, since I don't suppose they have a lot of NFL players to cheer for.
 
Makes sense.
I think if I was a Princeton supporter, I'd be claiming him, since I don't suppose they have a lot of NFL players to cheer for.
And he would probably claim his Princeton degree. It is a little higher than ISU I’m guessing, pending his field.
 
So it comes down to whether they graduated? My definition is simple. Makes no difference where you started your college athletic career. It’s where you finished your college athletic career. Rocco is an Iowa State alumnus. Former Cyclone. Not a Forever Cyclone.a
Your entitled to your opinion. And I'm entitled to mine. Not sure there is a right or wrong on this.
 
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What about Jalen Travis? Is he a Cyclone for his one year at ISU or is it ok for Princeton to claim him? Does it make a difference that he's in

What about Jalen Travis? Is he a Cyclone for his one year at ISU or is it ok for Princeton to claim him? Does it make a difference that he's in the NFL?
I have no problem with Princeton claiming him. Ivy League schools typically don’t allow redshirts or grad students to play football. Travis graduated in 4 years but his freshman year season was cancelled due to Covid so he had a year of eligibility left but couldn’t play it at Princeton.
 
Got to believe he is a first rounder. NFL owners/coaches love 60+ yarders to win games, and he has a few!! Hell, they draft 45 yard kickers.
No. Not a chance he's a first rounder or even a 2nd/3rd/4th rounder. He'll get a shot in the NFL but drafting kickers (and punters) is rare on it's own, let alone using a draft pick in the first 4 rounds. The last one drafted in the first was Janikowski in 2000. Only five ever have been in the first round and that was mostly 60s/70s. Konrardy is not on those levels at all. He's a flyer in the 6th-7th round but most likely a practice squad/undrafted sign.
 
No. Not a chance he's a first rounder or even a 2nd/3rd/4th rounder. He'll get a shot in the NFL but drafting kickers (and punters) is rare on it's own, let alone using a draft pick in the first 4 rounds. The last one drafted in the first was Janikowski in 2000. Only five ever have been in the first round and that was mostly 60s/70s. Konrardy is not on those levels at all. He's a flyer in the 6th-7th round but most likely a practice squad sign.
Timing also seems to have a lot to do with it. If he goes to the NFL in a year where a few teams have kickers retiring, he might get a shot.
 
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For signing him or using a late round, sure. Not for using early draft picks. That's simply not happening.
For sure. I think its silly for a team to waste a top 5 round pick on a kicker anyways; they might be great in college but its no guarantee for the NFL. See Jake Moody
 
The reality of this is that if Brahmer, Burkle, Hansen, Bacon, etc finish their FB careers at Penn State and are on the draft boards, the talking heads will be beaming with enthusiasm about all of them. And, if they have even an ounce of success like Purdy, those same players will be praised and NOT criticized. If Purdy was in Rocco's situation - i.e. left for Penn State - and then ended up doing what he has done in his NFL career, there is NO way that he would be criticized as much. The sports media control the narrative and it is best for them when the Blue Bloods turn out great products in the NFL. They hate success stories like Purdy's.
 
What about Jalen Travis? Is he a Cyclone for his one year at ISU or is it ok for Princeton to claim him? Does it make a difference that he's in the NFL?
Depends. What did he say when they announced the starting line-up on MNF?
 
I was a four year letterman in college. I’m the son of a coach.

Fun aside: A former ISU DL coach under Walden drunkenly tried to convince 12-year-old me that it was Johnny Orr pissing in my driveway one night when a van load of Cyclone coaches stopped by my house while my parents were gone.

It was actually a former Hawkeye forward who was a GA on Orr’s staff who couldn’t hold it (neither his piss nor the alcohol). In that coach’s defense it was dark that night, but come on…said former Hawkeye still had hair at the time. Seriously, even with all the drunken shenanigans Johnny’s voice would have cut through.

[ If I’m being open and honest my guess is he knew how excited I’d be at the prospect of Coach Orr pissing in my driveway, and took the opportunity to cheer me up. He knew it’d only been about a year before that my brother (a Big 8 champion for the Cyclones) was awarded his degree posthumously. ]

But yeah, maybe I didn’t spend enough time around sports?

Anyway, I know about Chizik’s ********. I was fully aware of Prohm’s ********. Maybe they both should have prayed harder? Or maybe Ol’ Jesus only gets you 2 wins and the rest are on you?

I knew Campbell had his hand slapped at Toledo for praying with his team. I chalked that up to him being young and maybe not having the strongest mentors.

Regardless, I got the sense he had the integrity to not just learn the lesson, but understand why it was important for him to keep his personal beliefs out of the work place. Particularly so given the peculiar power dynamic in college sports.

I also witnessed first hand the rise in overt religiosity and public/performative displays of “faith” in my hometown, and really across much of the midwest.

Even so, it would have been totally alien and jarring to see prayer before games in my time. Maybe it happened at Dowling or Pella Christian, etc, but I don’t remember it.

So maybe I am naive, but I assumed the game time prayer routines at ISU were just a byproduct of the prevailing socioeconomic conditions and impressionable kids trying on identities as they tried to make their way in the world, and not necessarily indicative of a coaching staff who doesn’t understand its roles and responsibilities at a public institution (or a workplace).

And since I’ve already droned on, are you seriously telling me religious views have come into play in hiring at a business you’ve worked at?

Not only is that very illegal, but dumb. I’ve personally been involved in hiring people of every imaginable background (religious, ethnic, nationality, etc). All that matters in my line of work is that you’re smart, hardworking, and keep your ego in check. If you tried to build a reasonably large team from any a single group in any other dimension you’d be at a huge disadvantage.
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