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***Official Big 12 Expansion Thread '16***

upstateclone said:
25 LGBT groups send letter to Big 12 urging it to shun BYU:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-fo...letter-to-big-12-urging-it-to-shun-byu-080816
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I wonder if these groups have a nationwide television network and are willing to pay a while lot of money to show big12 sports. If not, I'm not sure I care at all about their opinion.

Yes I understand that BYU takes a hard stance against LGBT, but that is their right as a private institution based on similar teaches of their faith. This isn't Soviet Russia. No one is forcing a member of the LGBT community to attend the school.
 
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isucy86 said:
My degree is in finance and have worked in corporate finance for one of the largest companies in the world and can tell you with 100% certainty that if the LHN is not profitable, ESPN will buyout the contract.

Your right, future profits are the basis of any business venture. If those profits don't materialize, which has been the case with the LHN- the right business decision is to cut your losses. If down the road another company can make it work, good for them.
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I am not saying they won't buy out LHN. But Texas is still very valuable and ESPN has full rights to ACC. They only have Tier 2 for Big 10 and Pac 12. They still want to keep Texas football as a property. LHN is leverage for that. That is why ACC is most likely.
 
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Clonehomer said:
I wonder if these groups have a nationwide television network and are willing to pay a while lot of money to show big12 sports. If not, I'm not sure I care at all about their opinion.

Yes I understand that BYU takes a hard stance against LGBT, but that is their right as a private institution based on similar teaches of their faith. This isn't Soviet Russia. No one is forcing a member of the LGBT community to attend the school.
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I have a huge problem with it if any visiting athletes are treated even slightly different. It seems debatable if that would ever be the case or has been the case. Are there concrete examples of this?

I doubt Ejim goes off on their fans without hearing some seriously caveman level hate that game. Still I've generally supported adding BYU since I think they're one of the few adds that brings as much as they take and we've put ourselves in a tight spot by being ostriches for almost a decade. If we knew for sure that other Big 12 athletes were going to be discriminated against I would reverse my stance though.
 
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isucy86 said:
Plus your history is off, the LHN was the reason schools like A&M and Nebraska decided to leave the Big12. There departures caused CU to jump to the Pac12. After that FOX and ESPN stepped in and saved the Big12. At this point the only benefit of the LHN for other Big12 schools is Texas must be willing to give it up to join the Big10, SEC and probably the ACC.
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Again, LHN prevented Texas from going to the P12 and completely out of ESPN's control for T3 rights. Not sure why you're having difficulty comprehending that. ESPN knew damn well LHN was likely not going to be profitable.

Also, as previously mentioned, LHN kept UT in the B12, saved the B12 from completely imploding and kept ISU in a top paying conference.

And I always chuckle when someone claims aggy and Nebraska left the B12 because of LHN. Both of those hypocrites were always in UT's corner for unequal revenue sharing and not supporting a conference network while in the B12.
 
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HFCS said:
I have a huge problem with it if any visiting athletes are treated even slightly different. It seems debatable if that would ever be the case or has been the case. Are there concrete examples of this?

I doubt Ejim goes off on their fans without hearing some seriously caveman level hate that game. Still I've generally supported adding BYU since I think they're one of the few adds that brings as much as they take and we've put ourselves in a tight spot by being ostriches for almost a decade. If we knew for sure that other Big 12 athletes were going to be discriminated against I would reverse my stance though.
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Do you really think that BYU fans will treat opposing LGBT worse than any other fan base? The words that are shouted at players in every college arena are not even allowed to be used on campus there.

Yes they hold their students to archaic rules associated to their religious beliefs, but outside of the lack of transgender bathrooms will that really affect athletes from other schools?
 
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Clonehomer said:
Do you really think that BYU fans will treat opposing LGBT worse than any other fan base? The words that are shouted at players in every college arena are not even allowed to be used on campus there.

Yes they hold their students to archaic rules associated to their religious beliefs, but outside of the lack of transgender bathrooms will that really affect athletes from other schools?
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I don't know. The group writing this campaign against them seems to think they will be. Who knows if they are right. I'm thinking more institutional like what Jack Trice would have faced. To me if there's anything even slightly like that it's a deal breaker. BYU says there isn't anything like that but of course they would right now.

As far as the fans...the Ejim incident really does make me question a little if it's a different culture out there. How many times did he lose his cool with fans or even seem remotely affected by the fans? Just that one time to my knowledge. Something different than what they would say at Phog Allen or Carver happened that day and there are stories that it's the norm...but again who really knows?
 
Gorm said:
Must have missed Penn States campaign to join a new conference back then.
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Clonehomer said:
I wonder if these groups have a nationwide television network and are willing to pay a while lot of money to show big12 sports. If not, I'm not sure I care at all about their opinion.

Yes I understand that BYU takes a hard stance against LGBT, but that is their right as a private institution based on similar teaches of their faith. This isn't Soviet Russia. No one is forcing a member of the LGBT community to attend the school.
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And what religious school wouldn't oppose LGBT? I personally don't have an opinion on it. But it isn't a surprise.
 
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larrysarmy said:
Would this even be a topic if you swapped BYU for Notre Dame?
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good point. i think the reality is the catholic church is much more understood nationally, notre dame athletics are world famous, and in general catholics (maybe not notre dame itself) are much more lassie-fair when it comes to this stuff. what the church teaches and what people actually do aren't always in-sync. BYU seems to much more strict about this stuff.

plus at ND you can drink.
 
mtowncyclone13 said:
good point. i think the reality is the catholic church is much more understood nationally, notre dame athletics are world famous, and in general catholics (maybe not notre dame itself) are much more lassie-fair when it comes to this stuff. what the church teaches and what people actually do aren't always in-sync. BYU seems to much more strict about this stuff.

plus at ND you can drink.
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That's one thing Catholics are definitely not against in my experience.
 
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ISU1294 said:
"Your views don't align with our views so we don't think you should join an Athletic Conference that we have nothing to do with."
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I wonder how much this will weigh in the decision. My initial thought is very little, but we have college presidents involved. Also reading BYU is under investigation for the way campus rape issues are handled. Baylor 2.0?
 
BYU is always going to be there. They're not going to the pac-12. The other candidates, although not likely, could be targeted by other conferences. I could see the Big 12 going to 12 and leaving BYU out for now, and re-evaluate them further down the road for #13/14.
 
Why even bring teams like Houston, cinci, etc in. If currently they would make good tv then sign a scheduling agreement for football. Long term, they do nothing for the BigXII. Soooooo hoping the Arizona and Colorado rumors pan out!
 
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HFCS said:
I don't know. The group writing this campaign against them seems to think they will be. Who knows if they are right. I'm thinking more institutional like what Jack Trice would have faced. To me if there's anything even slightly like that it's a deal breaker. BYU says there isn't anything like that but of course they would right now.

As far as the fans...the Ejim incident really does make me question a little if it's a different culture out there. How many times did he lose his cool with fans or even seem remotely affected by the fans? Just that one time to my knowledge. Something different than what they would say at Phog Allen or Carver happened that day and there are stories that it's the norm...but again who really knows?
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Well, of course an activist group is going to view it in the most slanted light possible.
 
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