OFF THE RECORD: Royce White

[Cyclone.TV]

If “formal policy” isn’t detailed enough for you without going into what would possibly be 10,000 words of legislation... then it seems strinkingly like a sleight of hand on your part to divert the conversation into a cheap symantecal debate. Let’s just start with an admission that a “formal policy” is needed and then let the medical experts hash out what the details are going to look like. BECAUSE THEY'RE THE BEST SUITED TO...

I asked the question earlier as well, and wanted to know some of the details of what you would like the policy to be. So if it’s a 10,000 word legislation, which would take a long time, what are a few of the things that you had issues with that you would like to see fixed?

 

[dswagclone]

2. The Complex staff made it pretty clear that the information was an alleged By the jovial tone. I have 4 children, 2 of which are with a woman I’ve been with since we were both teenagers and am currently married to. I’m very proud of my children and I’m not entirely sure how they are in anyway symbolic of a lack of character.

You're due in Court on June 20th. I'd focus on your child support issues not the CF forum. You know, for historicity and all.

 

[BCoffClone125]

Welp, this thread turned to **** real fast.

Enjoyed the podcast though. Royce is a very unique individual and I enjoyed listening to him speak again. Not everybody has to agree with everything he has said or done to enjoy the podcast for what it is.

 

[XxroycewhitexX]

You're due in Court on June 20th. I'd focus on your child support issues not the CF forum. You know, for historicity and all.

Is there a problem with having family court hearings? I’m somewhat confused as to what your insinuation is... your mock of historicity is telling though. Judicial historicity is a very worth while conversation, but I sense that a worth while conversation is outside of your scope completely. I could definitely be wrong, but your proclivity to bring up arbitrary information in an attempt to castigate my character is SO TELLING... and enough can be inferred to almost classify it as a non starter.

 

[Cyclone.TV]

Welp, this thread turned to **** real fast.

Enjoyed the podcast though. Royce is a very unique individual and I enjoyed listening to him speak again. Not everybody has to agree with everything he has said or done to enjoy the podcast for what it is.

I agree - this is about mental health. My problem is people are posting about his past problems, and he’s responding to those. I’m wanting to know what he had issues with playing in the nba and what he wanted fixed, and he won’t respond to those. Just a “policy”. Well what did you have issues with and how would you wanted help? How does he feel he could have stuck around? What was different about ISU that helped him succeed?

 

[ClonesFTW]

You're due in Court on June 20th. I'd focus on your child support issues not the CF forum. You know, for historicity and all.

I’ll take....Things that this guy would never say in person for $100, Alex.

 

[Catclone]

Royce, thank you for doing the podcast - I found it to be thought provoking. I'm sorry this thread is filled with ISU "fans" who choose to be salty to a guy who did so much for the basketball program. They do not represent the majority of Cyclone Nation. Unfortunately half this thread has been cringe so far. Keep on man!

 

[ForbinsAscynt]

Damn I hope I didn't miss the "mix it up with RW" thread.
One thing I think hasn't been mentioned is the fact that the NFL has to face mental health head on due to CTE and everything else that goes with repeated head trauma.
As terrible as it is, it is making the league take great strides (in comparison) to the other sports in regards to mental health. Not surprising since the NBA is at an all time high and the NFL is loosing viewership and future players at a drastic rate.

 

[Cyclone.TV]

Royce, thank you for doing the podcast - I found it to be thought provoking. I'm sorry this thread is filled with ISU "fans" who choose to be salty to a guy who did so much for the basketball program. They do not represent the majority of Cyclone Nation. Unfortunately half this thread has been cringe so far. Keep on man!

Agreed. But he has also only responded to those that are bashing is personal issues, and won’t respond to questions about mental health issues. He’s also deleted multiple posts early on.

 

[XxroycewhitexX]

Agreed. But he has also only responded to those that are bashing is personal issues, and won’t respond to questions about mental health issues. He’s also deleted multiple posts early on.

The question is a non-starter my friend. The policy conversation was aimed at many things....

Creating a basic awareness of the mental health landscape.

Considering potentially problematic outcomes regarding mental health and contingencies.

Acknowledgement of the prevalence of mental health conditions.

Acknowledgement of the mental health field as a reliable scientific domain.

Need I continue? Is listing 4 sufficient enough for you to conjure up your antithetical rebuttal, or would you agree those are all pretty reasonable political aspirations?

 

[Cyclone.TV]

The question is a non-starter my friend. The policy conversation was aimed at many things....

Creating a basic awareness of the mental health landscape.

Considering potentially problematic outcomes regarding mental health and contingencies.

Acknowledgement of the prevalence of mental health conditions.

Acknowledgement of the mental health field as a reliable scientific domain.

Need I continue? Is listing 4 sufficient enough for you to conjure up your antithetical rebuttal, or would you agree those are all pretty reasonable political aspirations?

First off, thank you for responding as I think this is the topic of discussion (and I am at fault for not sticking to this as well).

I’m not sure what you mean by acknowledgement in that what would change if they’ve just only acknowledged the issues? Knowing they are there is fine - but what can be done to help?

I am a person who has dealt with depression and anxiety. I don’t have an employer, I am the employer - so this is different. But it’s exactly why I want to know what issues you had and how it affected you in the NBA. How did your mental health force you to leave when you are obviously an NBA talent? What changes do you think would have helped you stay in the league?

 

[ISUCubswin]

Royce I got a few controversial questions that I believe CW was too afraid to touch on with your interview. It's understandable for a man as puny as him to be afraid of a man of your stature. It's understandable, I saw you as I was walking out of class at Carver back when you were on campus but was too much of a sissy to say "'sup," but behind my keyboard, I think you and I size up pretty well.

Who was your favorite student manager at Iowa State?

What was your reaction when you heard Charlie Yokes was closed?

Do you ever regret not personally checking to see if Bill Self wears a toupee?

For a man who seems to be as empathetic as yourself, do you ever feel bad when you posterize someone?

Lastly, a few years ago, @Fitzy said that the day he works for CF is the day he challenges you one on one. CW has both of your digits, can we somehow get this set up?

Thanks, I'll hang up and listen. #BeWell

 

[LincolnWay187]

The question is a non-starter my friend. The policy conversation was aimed at many things....

Creating a basic awareness of the mental health landscape.

Considering potentially problematic outcomes regarding mental health and contingencies.

Acknowledgement of the prevalence of mental health conditions.

Acknowledgement of the mental health field as a reliable scientific domain.

Need I continue? Is listing 4 sufficient enough for you to conjure up your antithetical rebuttal, or would you agree those are all pretty reasonable political aspirations?

Hey royce, completely off topic but I had to jump at the opportunity to thank you for being a cyclone. You were/are a total beast out there and it was such a joy watching you play for the team I've watched since 5th grade(decades). Wish we couldve have had you longer.

Sorry for the asskissing other posters. I feel obligated knowing how much work these guys put in.

 

[BryceC]

I've been highly critical of Royce since he's left ISU. However I forget after listening to this how much I genuinely like the guy.

Yeah, he uses big words and rambles a bit. I was an English major the first time through so I'm used to that, he reminds me of 50% of the department so it doesn't bother me.

As to the number of beers at a game thing, he was using it as an example of the hypocrisy of the league, not advocating some cap on the number of beers policy. At least listen to what he's saying.

Finally, I'm somebody that first started getting season tickets in Morgan's last year, 2006. ISU went through a real low point for a long time that season until Royce took the court. It reignited a love for ISU basketball for me. Some of my favorite moments in life with my wife are in KC watching the team.

Selfishly one of the reasons I've been critical of him in his time post-ISU is that I want to see him in the NBA competing against the best, because I loved him as a player and I'd love to see what he could do there. I think he has a skill set very similar to Ben Simmons but he's even bigger. Simmons has been dynamite for the 76ers this year and I think Royce could do the same.

That said I hope he achieves all of his goals from a mental health standpoint.

 

[LincolnWay187]

You're due in Court on June 20th. I'd focus on your child support issues not the CF forum. You know, for historicity and all.

Please ban this poster wtf

 

[HFCS]

The guy who accused you of being brainwashed by socialists thinks children should be able to marry adults, so take it with an 18 wheeler full of salt.

Royce beating down Argent on this board probably makes all the time I've wasted here worthwhile. It's the moment I've been dreaming of that I didnt' even know I was dreaming of.

 

[HFCS]

Selfishly if @XxroycewhitexX is here it would be cool to talk some basketball.

I loved the part of the podcast where Royce pointed out that he was really playing point guard and center. Where he'd play 1 on offense and 5 on defense. I'm pretty fascinated by that truth I didn't fully realize, but also how you still have to compare Royce mostly to 3s and 4s because of his size and athleticism combo.

Cannot wait to see you in the Tournament for the Cyclones.

 

[CapnCy]

I appreciated @XxroycewhitexX when he was at ISU and since he's left.

A few observations from this thread.....some folks are nasty....bringing up things from when someone was 18 is pretty low...and I appreciate how Royce openly responded.

Mental health continues to be an area of medicine that is difficult to fully address and understand for many as it's not as simple as other medical issues. Anxiety, for instance, means different things for different people.

I appreciate Royce using his voice to continue to ask the tough questions and try to make change (and he is...you don't just get on ESPN E:60) AND he's put principles above his own gain. We all know had he stayed in the NBA...he would have gotten a very large second contract.

For those criticizing his use of language...i had the pleasure of talking with him on several occasions when he was at ISU and he's always been articulate and thoughtful with his thinking and communications (and now he's several years older and more mature), so that's just who he is.

Thanks for being a Cyclone, Royce and continuing to be open with your health and seeking change.

 

[ISUCubswin]

I have a feeling Royce has really good penmanship

 

[CloneFan4]

I think I’ve made my understanding that nobody cares if I’m in the NBA very transparent. I really don’t have a gripe with that, I’ve actually conceded that outcome a number of times. This conversation wasn’t about me being in the NBA, it was about morals, ethics and there role in the corporate culture. To delineate further your later point... there isn’t “Always going to be good players.” The Toronto Raptors just proved that.

What are you trying to say here?