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BaryGarta said:
First, I am an Iowan. Second, I am an Iowa alum and a Hawkeye fan. Wanted to make sure I said that up front. I'm not a "troll" and I only root against Iowa State when they line up against Iowa.

That all out there, I am curious how this will shake out for ISU in terms of what makes the most sense for all sports involved. Clearly, ISU cannot go to the Mountain West or MAC. You simply draw too many fans in the revenue sports to be relegated to these conferences. Oddly enough, ISU would likely be extremely competitive in those conferences from day one, but what does dominating these mid-major type conferences get a school? Yep- a nine seed in the NCAA tournament or a trip to Detroit for a bowl game.

Does the Big East make sense? For ISU I'd say yes- tough in basketball, but for the most part ISU would be able to hold its own. But does ISU make sense for the Big East? Only if there is legislation passed that requires Iowa and Iowa State games are never EVER on at the same time. That would be the best way to assure eyeballs on the tv that would justify the revenue.

I do know I want ISU to continue to be in a BCS conference- you really do deserve that. Certainly more than the UConn football team for example deserves it.

I wish you all the best of luck, except for this Saturday, and hope ISU finds a good home.
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We have a home and it's just fine. Listen to Boone Pickens a bit.
 
yaman3 said:
All I am saying is that we are better off with Texas.
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texas reminds me of the high performer at my business that has the poison attitude. Very hard to fire because they deliver but in the end they have to go because they ruin the culture. The big xii needs a culture of stability and unity much more than they need texas.
 
We have a home....read article.... Big 12 Television Contracts Likely to Protect League : Outkick The Coverage

BaryGarta said:
First, I am an Iowan. Second, I am an Iowa alum and a Hawkeye fan. Wanted to make sure I said that up front. I'm not a "troll" and I only root against Iowa State when they line up against Iowa.

That all out there, I am curious how this will shake out for ISU in terms of what makes the most sense for all sports involved. Clearly, ISU cannot go to the Mountain West or MAC. You simply draw too many fans in the revenue sports to be relegated to these conferences. Oddly enough, ISU would likely be extremely competitive in those conferences from day one, but what does dominating these mid-major type conferences get a school? Yep- a nine seed in the NCAA tournament or a trip to Detroit for a bowl game.

Does the Big East make sense? For ISU I'd say yes- tough in basketball, but for the most part ISU would be able to hold its own. But does ISU make sense for the Big East? Only if there is legislation passed that requires Iowa and Iowa State games are never EVER on at the same time. That would be the best way to assure eyeballs on the tv that would justify the revenue.

I do know I want ISU to continue to be in a BCS conference- you really do deserve that. Certainly more than the UConn football team for example deserves it.

I wish you all the best of luck, except for this Saturday, and hope ISU finds a good home.
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This thread is starting to make me think of this movie. Hope there's fire under this "Alamo" smoke...

 
aauummm said:
We have a home and it's just fine. Listen to Boone Pickens a bit.
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I did. And if it all goes down that way, you are right, you have a home. I wouldn't agree right now that it's just fine, but it could be.

And it may not be. All I am saying is that Iowa State deserves better treatment than this. If you want to be terse and think I am trying to start something, so be it. I am not. Mine is a "split" family- with both Iowa and ISU grads and supporters. My father played (okay, suited up) on the ISU football team back in the day. He played baseball there. I had an uncle who was a professor there until his untimely death a few years ago, so I harbor no ill will toward ISU.

Regarding T. Boone, I have great respect for him, but he doesn't have the power to stop this locomotive of change within the college sports landscape. Considering that the Big XII was allegedly unified 12 short months ago, and now one school has publicly voiced its intention to leave, another two (minimum) are strongly considering it, and it becomes hard to see how this ends well. There is an old saying that goes "Convince someone against their will, they are of the same opinion still." In other words, legally bar a school from leaving, they will only work harder to find a way to leave.

Again, I wish you well this season. I'd love to have two Iowa teams to root for this bowl season and four to root for in the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament. As I started with my original post, First I am an Iowan.
 
BaryGarta said:
I did. And if it all goes down that way, you are right, you have a home. I wouldn't agree right now that it's just fine, but it could be.

And it may not be. All I am saying is that Iowa State deserves better treatment than this. If you want to be terse and think I am trying to start something, so be it. I am not. Mine is a "split" family- with both Iowa and ISU grads and supporters. My father played (okay, suited up) on the ISU football team back in the day. He played baseball there. I had an uncle who was a professor there until his untimely death a few years ago, so I harbor no ill will toward ISU.

Regarding T. Boone, I have great respect for him, but he doesn't have the power to stop this locomotive of change within the college sports landscape. Considering that the Big XII was allegedly unified 12 short months ago, and now one school has publicly voiced its intention to leave, another two (minimum) are strongly considering it, and it becomes hard to see how this ends well. There is an old saying that goes "Convince someone against their will, they are of the same opinion still." In other words, legally bar a school from leaving, they will only work harder to find a way to leave.

Again, I wish you well this season. I'd love to have two Iowa teams to root for this bowl season and four to root for in the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament. As I started with my original post, First I am an Iowan.
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I must have missed your introduction as a new member just this September and with 3 posts. CF has been around a long time-where have you been-Iowan?
 
rebecacy said:
texas reminds me of the high performer at my business that has the poison attitude. Very hard to fire because they deliver but in the end they have to go because they ruin the culture. The big xii needs a culture of stability and unity much more than they need texas.
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Solid analogy. +1
 
rebecacy said:
What's in the article won't happen but the threat is real...... it is just another example (I've tried every way I know how to point out) that WE don't need them. I'm done arguing but predict, we will get some great teams to join us ----- Texas is not needed and the little boys have figured that out and joined together. Even Oklahoma is on board and took the lead in delivering the message. The plan is in motion, we have called their bluff and (even tho it won't happen) I hope they take their ball, ego and the money they won't share equitably and go away forever. Where are all the folks that wanted us to be pro-active. Well here it is and it is a brilliant plan.
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I think you are right, Texas just overplayed their hand as many have said, and now there is no one left on their side really. They have no cards left other than to blow up the conference and they can't tear down their own home. Hopefully, the other 7 0r 8 realize that now and that Texas is somewhat painted into a corner because of the LHN.
 
CycloneErik said:
Even though it's game week, this guy is OK so far.

We'll have enough trolls to chase around tomorrow. This guy seems reasonable.

Of course, if he changes his tune, then all bets are off.......
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I hear ya Erik, but it seems a little strange that he signs up a few days ago and then comes on here saying he sure hopes we find a home and that he's a hok fan but just dearly loves ol' ISU because he has a split family and the other half of the family are Cyclones. I've heard that old song and dance too many times.

My family has way more connections to EIU than he does to ISU and yet I root for the hoks to lose every game. The sight of the hok symbol boils my blood everytime I see it-ask my wife. And I was born and raised in Iowa and I've been an Iowan far longer than he has.
 
aauummm said:
I hear ya Erik, but it seems a little strange that he signs up a few days ago and then comes on here saying he sure hopes we find a home and that he's a hok fan but just dearly loves ol' ISU because he has a split family and the other half of the family are Cyclones. I've heard that old song and dance too many times.

My family has way more connections to EIU than he does to ISU and yet I root for the hoks to lose every game. The sight of the hok symbol boils my blood everytime I see it-ask my wife. And I was born and raised in Iowa and I've been an Iowan far longer than he has.
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I have no problems with that. I'm just figuring that the normal troll Hawk can't help himself, and it'll be obvious very soon without any help.

I'm not exactly cheering for Iowa here. Just thought we could be fair to this guy while he proves himself one way or the other.
 
CycloneErik said:
I have no problems with that. I'm just figuring that the normal troll Hawk can't help himself, and it'll be obvious very soon without any help.

I'm not exactly cheering for Iowa here. Just thought we could be fair to this guy while he proves himself one way or the other.
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Well, shucks... I guess we could give him a little bit of a break. It's pretty bad timing on his part to show up the week of the ISU-EIU game. You've got a good point about normal troll hoks not being able to help themselves. They show their true feathers sooner or later!
 
aauummm said:
I hear ya Erik, but it seems a little strange that he signs up a few days ago and then comes on here saying he sure hopes we find a home and that he's a hok fan but just dearly loves ol' ISU because he has a split family and the other half of the family are Cyclones. I've heard that old song and dance too many times.

My family has way more connections to EIU than he does to ISU and yet I root for the hoks to lose every game. The sight of the hok symbol boils my blood everytime I see it-ask my wife. And I was born and raised in Iowa and I've been an Iowan far longer than he has.
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Well, as I also said, I am not a troll. I actually have no interest in flaming, or inflaming. Sorry you don't feel the same, but that's outside of my control. I only recently joined CF shortly after I paid for the ISU game on internet last weekend so that I could follow the live chat. I hope that explains my limited posts.

I am also sorry you hate the Hawks. I cannot respond in kind, as I don't hate the Cyclones at any level. In reality, I think we should all save our hatred for the Huskers.

... Edit... One other thing I never do- disparage Iowa State University by referring to them in derogatory terms both in their actual moniker, or the initials of the school. By that I mean I won't use the equivalent of Hoks or EIU as it pertains to Iowa State.

Based upon the information that shows up stating that you graduated with an engineering degree in 1972, you most likely have been an Iowan longer than I have unless you graduated at 4 years of age. I cannot change time. My uncle was an aerospace engineering professor at Iowa State, so maybe your paths crossed at some point.

Again, all the best. I hope Coach Rhodes continues to restore the gains and growth that Chizik screwed up. Of course I want Iowa to win, but more importantly, I want both teams to leave the game with no nagging and/ or season ending injuries so that they can be competitive in their conferences. Since neither of us are likely to go undefeated, conference success is ultimately far more important than the outcome of this singular game.
 
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aauummm said:
Well, shucks... I guess we could give him a little bit of a break. It's pretty bad timing on his part to show up the week of the ISU-EIU game. You've got a good point about normal troll hoks not being able to help themselves. They show their true feathers sooner or later!
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Could you and erik stay 'on-topic' ;-)
 
rebecacy said:
Dr Gene Lloyd (the lloyd who's name is on the side of the VET MED addition) just told me that He, JP, GG, Harkin, Grassley and 3 or 4 US House members were all in a suite up in the pressbox Saturday and they met again yesterday. I ask Dr. L if the Big XII would survive and all he would say was "change is good" and "we will be more than just alright." He's 87 and sharp as a tack and is NUTS about ISU. Quietly given millions upon millions. While telling me this, his smile was one of great satisfaction. You can take this or leave it but it made me feel a whole lot better.

He also said that looking at the new scoreboard is difficult from up in the upper pressbox, have to bend over to see it.
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The realization that a dramatic action (The Alamo Plan, etc) has been taken is slowly being realized by members of the media:

TheMercury.com - K-State Sports Article
 
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