Marvel Cinematic Universe

[Scruff]

Bumping this question because I have the same one and feel the same way.

Originally it was meant to be canon, but the most that came from it was vague references to what was going on in the MCU. Supposedly its no longer canon, which I'm finding weird because both characters are officially in the MCU. Like did none of what we watched happen? They should have left it canon. Anyway, it seems that no you don't need to watch it all.

That said, Daredevil is definitely worth the watch! Just get to the end of Season 1 Episode 2 and you'll get a good taste of why he is so fun!

 

[dahliaclone]

Just out of No Way Home. Like nearly every single Marvel movie, it was...meh? I'm just not their demographic. What surprised me, however, is my better half is a MASSIVE Marvel fan and he said it was not that good. It's already forgotten in my mind. All Marvel movies are the same to me...so formulaic. Love that so many think they're amazing though!

 

[ISUChippewa]

Just out of No Way Home. Like nearly every single Marvel movie, it was...meh? I'm just not their demographic. What surprised me, however, is my better half is a MASSIVE Marvel fan and he said it was not that good. It's already forgotten in my mind. All Marvel movies are the same to me...so formulaic. Love that so many think they're amazing though!

Reasonable minds can disagree without being disagreeable, and you're certainly welcome to share your opinion on here, but I do have to admit that I am curious as to why you keep on posting in a thread about Marvel movies when you've openly admitted that you don't like the source material that the thread is about?

 

[CloniesForLife]

Reasonable minds can disagree without being disagreeable, and you're certainly welcome to share your opinion on here, but I do have to admit that I am curious as to why you keep on posting in a thread about Marvel movies when you've openly admitted that you don't like the source material that the thread is about?

His partner really likes em and he really likes movies. He's always been honest they aren't for him and he's never bashed them or anything.

 

[JM4CY]

This might be a dumb question but is there a post credit scene too or just the mid credit one?

Spoiler: Also,

I will openly admit I haven’t seen the Venom movies the mid credit scene was referring too. How much am I missing and how good are they? I thought they weren’t canon so I kind of let them fall to the side and didn’t see them with so much other content to get watched. I guess I need to change that!

 

[Aclone]

This might be a dumb question but is there a post credit scene too or just the mid credit one?

Spoiler: Also,

I will openly admit I haven’t seen the Venom movies the mid credit scene was referring too. How much am I missing and how good are they? I thought they weren’t canon so I kind of let them fall to the side and didn’t see them with so much other content to get watched. I guess I need to change that!

Both

 

[JM4CY]

Both

Well I screwed the pooch on that

 

[BryceC]

Just out of No Way Home. Like nearly every single Marvel movie, it was...meh? I'm just not their demographic. What surprised me, however, is my better half is a MASSIVE Marvel fan and he said it was not that good. It's already forgotten in my mind. All Marvel movies are the same to me...so formulaic. Love that so many think they're amazing though!

You definitely cut against the grain - I think your last take was Eternals was the best MCU movie by far and you don't like this one. I haven't even bothered to see Eternals yet but I think general consensus is that movie is a mess and this one is one of the most crowd pleasing movies we've had in a while. I absolutely loved this movie if I'm being honest. I think just like Inifinity War, with the sheer numbers of characters on screen, that can go INCREDIBLY wrong. The degree of difficulty in pulling this movie off is insane.

Plus, no spoilers on the ending, but they have made me incredibly excited to see where they are going with these main characters. Anything could happen and I'm genuinely interested in the possibilities.

Edit: I wonder if there is a disconnect between what you enjoy about a movie and what you're seeing in the MCU too.

In the MCU, let's be honest, the plots really don't matter. The characters are everything. So if you care more about filmmaking and plot, the MCU isn't going to be for you. And that's perfectly fine.

 

[BryceC]

Originally it was meant to be canon, but the most that came from it was vague references to what was going on in the MCU. Supposedly its no longer canon, which I'm finding weird because both characters are officially in the MCU. Like did none of what we watched happen? They should have left it canon. Anyway, it seems that no you don't need to watch it all.

That said, Daredevil is definitely worth the watch! Just get to the end of Season 1 Episode 2 and you'll get a good taste of why he is so fun!

Daredevil is good, one of the seasons (with Elektra) Is sort of meh. I know people loved Jessica Jones... I didn't really. The first 4 episodes of Luke Cage are great, after that not good. Iron Fist we all can pretend never happened.

 

[houjix]

Well I screwed the pooch on that

Not really.

Spoiler: Post Credit scene

Technically it was just an early extended trailer for Doctor Strange 2. Before long, the official trailers will be out and you'll be caught up.

 

[ISUChippewa]

Daredevil is good, one of the seasons (with Elektra) Is sort of meh. I know people loved Jessica Jones... I didn't really. The first 4 episodes of Luke Cage are great, after that not good. Iron Fist we all can pretend never happened.

I've actually enjoyed all of the Netflix Marvel shows, even Iron Fist (although it doesn't measure up to the other ones, I'll admit. I did Season 2 was a marked improvement on Season 1). The scene with a certain lawyer, although brief, was a really fun moment.

 

[CycloneErik]

Well, Hawkeye hit all the notes. Very good finale.

 

[Scruff]

Daredevil is good, one of the seasons (with Elektra) Is sort of meh. I know people loved Jessica Jones... I didn't really. The first 4 episodes of Luke Cage are great, after that not good. Iron Fist we all can pretend never happened.

Daredevil Season 2 struggles at times for sure, but is saved by the inclusion of the punisher.

Jones Season 1 is great, but less because of her and more because the purple man is perhaps the greatest villian of any of the seasons of any series listed. Luke Cage also has a great villain named Cottonmouth, who has me excited for his take on Blade.

Villians make the hero! The Hand is really boring and uninteresting so anything where they are the primary villains drags. Daredevil season 2 (saved by the punisher), all of Iron Fist, and The Defenders.

 

[CycloneErik]

The mid-credit scene for Hawkeye is pretty controversial.
I really enjoyed it, but my thoughts definitely won't be shared by all on that.

 

[Triggermv]

Just out of No Way Home. Like nearly every single Marvel movie, it was...meh? I'm just not their demographic. What surprised me, however, is my better half is a MASSIVE Marvel fan and he said it was not that good. It's already forgotten in my mind. All Marvel movies are the same to me...so formulaic. Love that so many think they're amazing though!

Don't worry about it. All opinions are valid and please keep posting. I always like hearing perspectives completely different than my own. I was quite fascinated by your Eternals opinion because I've heard that same opinion from others, even if it isn't the overall popular opinion.

 

[Triggermv]

This is a bit of a spoiler for the mid-credit scene for No Way Home.

Spoiler: No Way Home _ Mid Credit Scene

So the mid-credit scene is Tom Hardy Venom in Mexico in the MCU. This was apparently teased at the end of the second Venom movie. In No Way Home, the other villains get transported to the MCU because they knew that Peter Parker was Spider-Man in their own universe. I've not seen the second Venom, but as far as I know, Tom Hardy Venom never knew Peter Parker/Spider-Man, so I'm not sure why he was pulled into the MCU from the Dr. Strange spell.

You are correct in the fact that Tom Hardy's character has not met Spider-Man or Peter Parker before, however in Venom 2, Venom talks about how the hive symbiote mind crosses universes, so most people are assuming this is what explains why Venom got transported as well. Yes, it is a bit convoluted, but its the explanation most people are going with for now. That multiversal hive mind may get explained more out in future movies as I know it is a decent sized part of the symbiote's history in the comics.

 

[Triggermv]

Originally it was meant to be canon, but the most that came from it was vague references to what was going on in the MCU. Supposedly its no longer canon, which I'm finding weird because both characters are officially in the MCU. Like did none of what we watched happen? They should have left it canon. Anyway, it seems that no you don't need to watch it all.

That said, Daredevil is definitely worth the watch! Just get to the end of Season 1 Episode 2 and you'll get a good taste of why he is so fun!

Ultimately, I'd argue the real answer and general nerd community consensus right now is that we really have no idea at this point to the canonicity of the Marvel Netflix series. Either due to Marvel's details in their deal with Netflix or just straight creative decisions, this could be a complete reboot of the characters, just with the same actors like you said. However, there has been zero said by Marvel yet that this or anything other option is in fact the case. Conversely, they could make those Netflix shows completely canon as well. I'd argue it wouldn't be as hard to do as many people seem to make it out to be. I'd say the general nerd community guess is that it will somewhat be a blend of both where the MCU does some sort of soft reboot of the characters, where it doesn't contradict what came before, but also doesn't exactly reference. Ultimately, the more we watch, the more we will know and even the Hawkeye creators said it will eventually get revealed. With all that said, we've all got a brand new Hawkeye finale most all of us have not seen at all yet, and for all we know, that finale could easily make everything much more clear.

 

[dahliaclone]

Reasonable minds can disagree without being disagreeable, and you're certainly welcome to share your opinion on here, but I do have to admit that I am curious as to why you keep on posting in a thread about Marvel movies when you've openly admitted that you don't like the source material that the thread is about?

So I'm welcome to share my opinion on here but because it's not in agreement with the norm you aren't sure why I keep posting on here? Mmmk. Well I love movies. And I have said I really liked Eternals...but that isn't good enough apparently!

 

[Triggermv]

Bumping this question because I have the same one and feel the same way.

See my post above for the canonicity of the Marvel Netflix shows at this point. As for the quality of the Marvel Netflix shows and whether you should watch, most would agree the real answer is that you are dealing with a completely mixed bag, which is everyone's biggest criticism of the old Marvel TV division. For as much as we like to knock them for creating some of the worst Marvel shows of all-time like that of Inhumans or Iron Fist, at the same time, they also gave us some of the best we've ever seen, even soaring to heights the new MCU TV shows have yet to reach. They do deserve credit for that and am waiting personally for Feige to hit some of these similar quality levels. At the same time, at least Feige has been way more consistently good so far with what he has put out. With all that said, I figure the best thing at this point to show quality is by comparing them to what most have seen so far in Marvel Studios canon shows (Wandavision, Hawkeye, Loki, FATWS). Here is my breakdown:

Better than any of the MCU TV series we've seen thus far:
-Daredevil S1
-Daredevil S2 (first half of the season with the Punisher is better than second half, but still overall very good)
-Daredevil S3 (best Marvel TV season ever made)
-Punisher S1

On-Par with MCU TV series:
-Jessica Jones S1

A little worse to decently worse than any MCU TV series we've seen thus far:
-Luke Cage S1 (first half really good, second half not)
-Luke Cage S2
-Punisher S2
-Defenders
-Jessica Jones S2
-Iron Fist S2 (Finn Jones as Iron Fist is still really bad, but writing was better in general)

Way wores than any MCU TV series we've seen thus far:
-Iron Fist S1
-Jessica Jones S3

From a continuity perspective providing you don't want to watch all of these, I'd recommend watching all 3 Daredevil seasons with The Defenders in-between S2 and S3. For watching good quality shows purposes, I'd tag Punisher S1 on the end as well.

 

[ISUChippewa]

So I'm welcome to share my opinion on here but because it's not in agreement with the norm you aren't sure why I keep posting on here. That makes...no sense. But thanks, I'll take that confusing opinion to heart.

I guess I'm not quite sure why it is confusing though? I see numerous threads on CycloneFanatic that I have absolutely no interest in reading through, much less posting in. You've written that with the rare exception (like "The Eternals") that you don't care much for the Marvel franchise. That's all fine and good; I'm just curious as to why you spend the time and energy to contribute in a thread about a subject that you've told us you don't care much about? That's all.

It's not a perfect comparison, but I find it similar to the threads about something that a poster will write "Why are we even discussing this subject? Who cares?!!?" in their initial post about it, and then write five more times in the same thread making sure that the rest of the posters in the thread are aware of just how much they really don't care about the subject. Well, when you post 5 different times in a thread that you tell us you really don't care about...

Look, I'm not trying to be snarky or come off as an over-aggressive fan boy, and I apologize if you got that impression. I'm honestly a bit fascinated, that's all.