Marvel Cinematic Universe

[AirWalke]

It’s hard to talk about this film without mentioning spoilers. The internet ruined this movie for me for the past year and a half by pelting me with casting news and rumors. Nothing was a surprise.

Aside from that, once the 2nd half got going, I was able to get past my disappointment and enjoy the movie and its performances. The fight between Peter Parker and Dr. Strange was utterly fantastic.

And also…
Willem Dafoe and Alfred Molina were at the top of their game, and reminded me of how great the first two Spidey films were. Tom Holland also proved once again how good he is as Spidey with an especially emotional performance.

All said… I don’t think I’ve ever come out of a movie feeling both satisfied and disappointed. I felt like it could have been way better if people just kept their damn mouths shut and stopped leaking every single little thing they see during a movie’s production.

 

[Hoggins]

I think this is a pretty gnawing plot hole.

The only purpose of it was to introduce the possibility of the symbiote in the MCU. The logic of how Venom made it to the MCU is faulty. They will clearly say “well he knows who Peter Parker is because he saw him on TV in the post-credits scene in Venom 2” but that would imply that he already made the inter-dimensional trip… which following the logic of NWH’s explanation of Dr. Strange’s spell, doesn’t make sense continuity-wise.

Spoiler: Mid credits

He knows Spider-Man is Peter Parker because of the symbiote hive mind. They mention that in the Venom post-credit. I’m guess we get a lot more history of the symbiote as the MCU continues to get more cosmic.

 

[harimad]

It’s hard to talk about this film without mentioning spoilers. The internet ruined this movie for me for the past year and a half by pelting me with casting news and rumors. Nothing was a surprise.

Aside from that, once the 2nd half got going, I was able to get past my disappointment and enjoy the movie and its performances. The fight between Peter Parker and Dr. Strange was utterly fantastic.

And also…
Willem Dafoe and Alfred Molina were at the top of their game, and reminded me of how great the first two Spidey films were. Tom Holland also proved once again how good he is as Spidey with an especially emotional performance.

All said… I don’t think I’ve ever come out of a movie feeling both satisfied and disappointed. I felt like it could have been way better if people just kept their damn mouths shut and stopped leaking every single little thing they see during a movie’s production.

It’s not hard to avoid spoilers. Short of trolls splashing Snape Killed Dumbledore in every nook and cranny of the Internet, I’ve been able to stay spoiler-free for the last few years of the MCU. And , as you theorised, it has been a much better viewing experience for me.

The last week has required active mitigation (covering eyes and ears for about 50% of every commercial on TV and YouTube) but other than that, I don’t go to sites that make their money by publishing “all the Easter Eggz0r you missed in WandaVision!1!!” If it’s your real life friends doing this to you despite your warnings that you don’t want to hear spoilers, I’m sorry that you have ****** friends. But if you’re getting these spoilers from the media, you can do more to avoid them.

 

[AirWalke]

It’s not hard to avoid spoilers. Short of trolls splashing Snape Killed Dumbledore in every nook and cranny of the Internet, I’ve been able to stay spoiler-free for the last few years of the MCU. And , as you theorised, it has been a much better viewing experience for me.

The last week has required active mitigation (covering eyes and ears for about 50% of every commercial on TV and YouTube) but other than that, I don’t go to sites that make their money by publishing “all the Easter Eggz0r you missed in WandaVision!1!!” If it’s your real life friends doing this to you despite your warnings that you don’t want to hear spoilers, I’m sorry that you have ****** friends. But if you’re getting these spoilers from the media, you can do more to avoid them.

I’m usually very spoiler conscious and go out of my way to avoid them. But this past year it’s been brutal. I can’t say that I haven’t sought out the “Easter egg” articles (because it is fun to read up on the **** I missed) but you would have to live in a cave (or just not go on the internet in general) to avoid No Way Home spoilers. Congrats to you I guess.

 

[CycloneErik]

I saw Spidey. Um, whoa.
Just told the family I'm moving into the theater to watch it again and again and again.

 

[BryceC]

I’m usually very spoiler conscious and go out of my way to avoid them. But this past year it’s been brutal. I can’t say that I haven’t sought out the “Easter egg” articles (because it is fun to read up on the **** I missed) but you would have to live in a cave (or just not go on the internet in general) to avoid No Way Home spoilers. Congrats to you I guess.

I do wonder what people consider spoilers. I mean it seems like some people consider everything a spoiler, whereas IMO if it’s in a trailer I don’t think of it as a spoiler.

 

[harimad]

I do wonder what people consider spoilers. I mean it seems like some people consider everything a spoiler, whereas IMO if it’s in a trailer I don’t think of it as a spoiler.

I refuse to watch the trailer. They give away waaaaaaay too much in those things. I want to walk into the theater knowing nothing other than the title of the film.

 

[Aclone]

The fight between Peter Parker and Dr. Strange was utterly fantastic.

Umm…….and you’re complaining about spoilers?

 

[AirWalke]

Umm…….and you’re complaining about spoilers?

It was in the trailers. Those are fair game since they include those in marketing.

 

[Hoggins]

Spoiler: Spider-Man spoiler and Question

So with Daredevil being Spider-man’s lawyer, do I need to watch all the Netflix shows? Wife and I started Daredevil tonight and we realized that Kingpin is in that show and he just showed up in Hawkeye too.

I never wanted to watch them since they weren’t “officially” MCU, but now I wanna know how much we should watch? It’s a lot of content and I doubt a lot of it is good. At least that was always the word of mouth review.

What do we need to watch?

 

[besserheimerphat]

Just saw Spiderman this afternoon, and at the end of the credits there was an awesome looking trailer for the next Dr. Strange movie. So there is a mid credit scene and the trailer at the end of the credits.

 

[houjix]

Saw the NWH. It was good, but I have strangely mixed feelings about it. It was fun, the performances were mostly great, I just think I 'm ready to be done with teenage Spider-man. We've seen this story enough times, that even with the new tweaks, it feels played out. Heck, I'm honestly more interested in seeing how the others lives have played out than where they go this this one.

 

[houjix]

I do wonder what people consider spoilers. I mean it seems like some people consider everything a spoiler, whereas IMO if it’s in a trailer I don’t think of it as a spoiler.

If it's in the trailer, it's fair game.

Outside of the worst kept secret of multiple Spider-men, I was able to stay spoiler free with minimal effort.

 

[BryceC]

If it's in the trailer, it's fair game.

Outside of the worst kept secret of multiple Spider-men, I was able to stay spoiler free with minimal effort.

I'll admit I think some of the anti-spoiler reaction is over the top to me, but I'm not the best one to ask because I don't really care about spoilers. You could tell me everything that is going to happen in the movie and I'll still want to see it and will enjoy it.

It's also movie culture now - every little pop culture website has casting rumors, what is happening on set, stuff like that. You don't have to like it but you basically need to delete your social media if you want to avoid it.

 

[Triggermv]

Saw the NWH. It was good, but I have strangely mixed feelings about it. It was fun, the performances were mostly great, I just think I 'm ready to be done with teenage Spider-man. We've seen this story enough times, that even with the new tweaks, it feels played out. Heck, I'm honestly more interested in seeing how the others lives have played out than where they go this this one.

I haven't seen the movie yet, so my opinion loses some context. However, the young, immature, relatable, mistake-prone nature of the character is a lot of what has made the character so successful through so many years. We all look at Peter Parker and see a bit of ourselves. I'd hate to fully lose that quite yet. Ultimately, both the character and Tom Holland are getting older, so there is no need to rush things at this point in trying to age them faster than need-be. Let the character just age naturally. We've got enough other older characters to get our fill of more mature heroes for now.

 

[houjix]

I haven't seen the movie yet, so my opinion loses some context. However, the young, immature, relatable, mistake-prone nature of the character is a lot of what has made the character so successful through so many years. We all look at Peter Parker and see a bit of ourselves. I'd hate to fully lose that quite yet. Ultimately, both the character and Tom Holland are getting older, so there is no need to rush things at this point in trying to age them faster than need-be. Let the character just age naturally. We've got enough other older characters to get our fill of more mature heroes for now.

I think that's part of the thing though. My enjoyment of that type of character is waning as I get older as it gets harder to identify with them. I guess I want to see what happens next as opposed to seeing Peter Parker navigate the trials and tribulations of teenage-dom one more time.

 

[Rural]

Set a date on when we can talk about everything.

 

[Rural]

I think that's part of the thing though. My enjoyment of that type of character is waning as I get older as it gets harder to identify with them. I guess I want to see what happens next as opposed to seeing Peter Parker navigate the trials and tribulations of teenage-dom one more time.

The actor is 25 and the next one supposedly has a college setting so they're still running down the same track.

 

[Triggermv]

I think that's part of the thing though. My enjoyment of that type of character is waning as I get older as it gets harder to identify with them. I guess I want to see what happens next as opposed to seeing Peter Parker navigate the trials and tribulations of teenage-dom one more time.

I get where you are coming from, but there is always a new generation of kids coming up wanting to relate with these characters, and I want them to relate with these characters. If you want to see what happens when a studio goes too far in doing what you are wanting, look no further than DC where 3 of their last 4 movies were rated R and aimed more at adult audiences. Sure, the Joker was a bit of an anomaly and did really well at the box office (I'm not sure how reproduceable that is), but the other two crashed and burned (Birds of Prey and Suicide Squad) even with COVID-19 and release strategy factored in. Don't get me wrong, I love to see me some more mature superhero movies, but in a desire to make things more tailored to ourselves, we can take things overboard really easy. This is why I get annoyed when I hear older people always wanting to see an "R" rated version of everything. Just because something is "R" does not make it better or more real, and in doing so, you needlessly eliminate a good portion of your audience. With that said, when you are DC and look back to see 3 of your last 4 superhero movies being "R" rated, you are maybe missing the mark and trying too hard to appease us man-babies.

On a separate note, seeing Peter Parker in college in the animated series growing up is when I fell in love with Spider-Man, so of all ages I get giddy to see him in, it is actually college. College-age Spider-Man is my pinnacle Peter Parker.

 

[houjix]

I get where you are coming from, but there is always a new generation of kids coming up wanting to relate with these characters, and I want them to relate with these characters. If you want to see what happens when a studio goes too far in doing what you are wanting, look no further than DC where 3 of their last 4 movies were rated R and aimed more at adult audiences. Sure, the Joker was a bit of an anomaly and did really well at the box office (I'm not sure how reproduceable that is), but the other two crashed and burned (Birds of Prey and Suicide Squad) even with COVID-19 and release strategy factored in. Don't get me wrong, I love to see me some more mature superhero movies, but in a desire to make things more tailored to ourselves, we can take things overboard really easy. This is why I get annoyed when I hear older people always wanting to see an "R" rated version of everything. Just because something is "R" does not make it better or more real. Also, when you are DC and look back to see 3 of your last 4 superhero movies being "R" rated, you are maybe missing the mark and trying to hard to appease us man-babies.

No, I'm not looking for an R rated Spider-man. There's a gulf of difference between what DC is doing and wanting to see what Spider-man does as he ages. The Raimi Trilogy got to touch on it some in the second and third movies and there is a wealth of storylines in the comics of an older Peter navigating adult life. We've now gotten our third live action look at Peter in high school. That's probably enough for now.