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Also, saw Black Widow finally on Tuesday. I agree with what everybody said - since it took place in the past, it just seems like it was trivial and one thing the MCU does really well is make things seem really important. I think 10 years from now when my kids are doing a rewatch or something in chronological order, it'll actually age really well. Actually pretty brutal also, kind of Jason Bourne lite, I really enjoyed the action stuff.
 
Also, saw Black Widow finally on Tuesday. I agree with what everybody said - since it took place in the past, it just seems like it was trivial and one thing the MCU does really well is make things seem really important. I think 10 years from now when my kids are doing a rewatch or something in chronological order, it'll actually age really well. Actually pretty brutal also, kind of Jason Bourne lite, I really enjoyed the action stuff.

I definitely agree that Black Widow is one of those movies that ages better than many of the other MCU movies
 
Black Widow would have been more seamless without the Covid break but this is where we're at.
 
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Saw What if...? last night and just found it to be alright I guess. About what I expected. Granted, I've been vocal on here that this type of show just isn't really something that interests me much, and I can't say it changed my mind. I really did dig the new animation style. In the end, multiverse stories just aren't exactly my thing, even though I'm trying really hard to give all of this a chance. I really dug Kang in the last episode of Loki, so that is what I'm clinging to for now and giving me some hope. We'll see where things go from here.

I still continue to fear the deeper we get into multiverse stuff, the more we are going to lose the general audience. Sometimes us nerds can get caught up too much in our own nerdom to see the bigger picture. Comics are the perfect example and why barely anybody reads comics anymore. The more we go down this rabbit trail of making everything super convoluted, the bigger barrier to entry we create for new viewers, and the more our audience shrinks.
 
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Sometimes us nerds can get caught up too much in our own nerdom to see the bigger picture. Comics are the perfect example and why barely anybody reads comics anymore. The more we go down this rabbit trail of making everything super convoluted, the bigger barrier to entry we create for new viewers, and the more our audience shrinks.

I agree with your concerns, but I think the whole multiverse concept is an attempt to keep the MCU fresh and keep this superhero film gravy train going. As it is right now, the MCU was and still is an experiment that has massively paid off for Disney.

When the first Iron Man movie came out, the idea of bringing Captain America and Thor into the same universe as this new Iron Man franchise made me groan, because at that point, the general movie audience that was into superhero films were accustomed to grounded comic book movies that felt as if they could be taking place in the present day. I actually ended up skipping both Cap and Thor 1 because they didn’t fit into my own head canon for Tony Stark’s universe.

Fast forward to the Avengers, which took the Tony Stark world of modern day anti-terrorism and drove it head on into the cosmic Marvel universe, complete with an alien invasion that almost destroyed NYC.

I think this was the moment that a lot of people got on board with an expanded MCU that took its focus to the stars and a bunch of reality-shaping gem stones. We’ve seen commercially successful films featuring a talking tree and raccoon, a fictional African nation with advanced technology based on a near indestructible metal, Norse Gods made into actual extraterrestrial beings… I could go on, but knowing this, it’s hard for me to believe that a multiverse-based storyline is where audiences are going to put their foot down and say that superhero movies are no longer enjoyable.

I do think that eventually this craze will come to an end. I really can’t see what they’ll do post-Kang the Conqueror because how can you really top a multiverse… but maybe this is Marvel’s way of creating an exit point. Instead of building up to one massive event ala Infinity Gauntlet, let the remaining story threads kind of expand out on their own, left to succeed or fail without an end game in sight… and if the market justifies it, maybe an Avengers 5 or 6 will be based off a final conflict with Kang.
 
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Of course the craze will end, they always do. We don't get that many westerns anymore, but honestly there have been some really great ones in the last 10 years or so. (Hostiles, The Sisters Brothers, Hell or High Water, etc)
 
Of course the craze will end, they always do. We don't get that many westerns anymore, but honestly there have been some really great ones in the last 10 years or so. (Hostiles, The Sisters Brothers, Hell or High Water, etc)

Don't forget 3:10 to Yuma!!!!!!!
 
I agree with your concerns, but I think the whole multiverse concept is an attempt to keep the MCU fresh and keep this superhero film gravy train going. As it is right now, the MCU was and still is an experiment that has massively paid off for Disney.

When the first Iron Man movie came out, the idea of bringing Captain America and Thor into the same universe as this new Iron Man franchise made me groan, because at that point, the general movie audience that was into superhero films were accustomed to grounded comic book movies that felt as if they could be taking place in the present day. I actually ended up skipping both Cap and Thor 1 because they didn’t fit into my own head canon for Tony Stark’s universe.

Fast forward to the Avengers, which took the Tony Stark world of modern day anti-terrorism and drove it head on into the cosmic Marvel universe, complete with an alien invasion that almost destroyed NYC.

I think this was the moment that a lot of people got on board with an expanded MCU that took its focus to the stars and a bunch of reality-shaping gem stones. We’ve seen commercially successful films featuring a talking tree and raccoon, a fictional African nation with advanced technology based on a near indestructible metal, Norse Gods made into actual extraterrestrial beings… I could go on, but knowing this, it’s hard for me to believe that a multiverse-based storyline is where audiences are going to put their foot down and say that superhero movies are no longer enjoyable.

I do think that eventually this craze will come to an end. I really can’t see what they’ll do post-Kang the Conqueror because how can you really top a multiverse… but maybe this is Marvel’s way of creating an exit point. Instead of building up to one massive event ala Infinity Gauntlet, let the remaining story threads kind of expand out on their own, left to succeed or fail without an end game in sight… and if the market justifies it, maybe an Avengers 5 or 6 will be based off a final conflict with Kang.

I get where you are coming from and agree with you to some extent, even a fairly large extent. It really comes down to a fine line in a spectrum. Like you said, in order to stay alive, the MCU constantly needs to keep reinventing itself to keep things new and fresh, which I agree. Your argument is that the multiverse is the way to do that and essentially the next logical step, which is possible. However, it's a spectrum, which means whatever route you choose, it is possible to choose a wrong route or go too far down that route to the point you start losing people. It's like walking a tight rope and not easy. Nobody has done it better than Feige thus far either.

With that said, where I stray from you is the need to go the multiverse route as the next logical step. In fact, my argument and way I hoped they would go in order to keep things new and fresh would be to do the opposite, and go very small again before building things back up. In fact, if you think about it, we've gone so big now with every single project, it's been a while since we went small. Having stakes that matter are key, but you don't always need to go bigger to create very real stakes. You just need to be very creative.

Anyway, it all comes down to strategy and I totally get your perspective, and it may in fact work. I sure am hoping it will. I just fear that the path is so narrow and small in that direction that the chances of falling off are quite high. I'm already starting to see a decent amount of Marvel apathy and lost people out there with the new direction things are going to the point where I'm at least taking note. It can be too easy to cater to the loudest fans, which is us grown nerd babies, when the key to actual success is catering to both us AND the masses. Again, that is where comics lost their draw a long time ago.
 
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Disney CEO Bob Chapek reiterated in an earnings call this week that Shang-Chi will remain a theatrical release only, so no same-day Disney+ Premier Access.

"At some point you've got to put a stake in the ground and say 'This is what we're going to do,' and that's where we ended up on Shang-Chi," Disney CEO Bob Chapek said Thursday, referring to the company's commitment to give Shang-Chi an exclusive period in theaters.

However, Shang-Chi will appear on Disney+ 45 days after theatrical launch. That puts it on Disney+ around mid-October.

No word on if the movie will be available to all Disney+ subscribers, or if some kind of reduced-price Premier Access will be needed.
Shang-Chi is expected to be streamed on Disney Plus at no added cost. (Some people refer to this as being available "free," though Disney Plus requires paid subscriptions.)

But it's possible that Disney could tweak Premier Access or introduce a new fee-based model for Shang-Chi mid-October. While all movies on Premier Access so far hit Disney Plus the same day as theaters, Disney stressed Thursday that it values flexibility in how it decides to release movies while circumstances keep changing. Creating a new way to charge for Shang-Chi on Disney Plus in mid-October would be an easier hurdle to clear than suddenly switching the movie to include same-day Premier Access, which would provoke an outcry from theater chains and other partners.

 
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I watched the first What If and I can't say I will be regularly watching the rest. Mashing a complete adaptation of a movie plot into 30 minutes is pretty unfulfilling.

I'm hoping that Disney sees some success with What If and can eventually make feature-length animated MCU films. DC continues to release animated films, like Batman: The Long Halloween (Part 2) which just came out a few weeks ago and Sony's animated Spider-verse is going to have a Miles Morales sequel coming out next year. Marvel had some success with this about 10 years ago with installments like Planet Hulk and Doctor Strange, so maybe they can go back and leverage some of Disney's (or Pixar) animators to tell some new MCU stories. X-Men is an easy pick as it would be cheaper to animate the various mutant powers than to attempt practical/digital effects.
 
I'm hoping that Disney sees some success with What If and can eventually make feature-length animated MCU films. DC continues to release animated films, like Batman: The Long Halloween (Part 2) which just came out a few weeks ago and Sony's animated Spider-verse is going to have a Miles Morales sequel coming out next year. Marvel had some success with this about 10 years ago with installments like Planet Hulk and Doctor Strange, so maybe they can go back and leverage some of Disney's (or Pixar) animators to tell some new MCU stories. X-Men is an easy pick as it would be cheaper to animate the various mutant powers than to attempt practical/digital effects.

I know they plan on making more
 
I'm hoping that Disney sees some success with What If and can eventually make feature-length animated MCU films. DC continues to release animated films, like Batman: The Long Halloween (Part 2) which just came out a few weeks ago and Sony's animated Spider-verse is going to have a Miles Morales sequel coming out next year. Marvel had some success with this about 10 years ago with installments like Planet Hulk and Doctor Strange, so maybe they can go back and leverage some of Disney's (or Pixar) animators to tell some new MCU stories. X-Men is an easy pick as it would be cheaper to animate the various mutant powers than to attempt practical/digital effects.
Some of the DC animated series and movies are the best DC stuff out there. I think that's why I like Titans so much. Kind of reminds me of Young Justice.
 
So, what's the level of animation in What If?

Good, bad, indifferent?

I watch a lot of animation, and I think it's excellent but it is a different look than a lot of different things. I watch some anime and it has a bit of an anime feel to it, without going full bonkers like they do in Japan. It's more of a golden era comics look actually, fairly stylized. I think they do a good job.

I thought Invincible on Amazon Prime was a phenomenal show, but man the animation sucked in that show as a comparison.
 
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