Makale Foreman Grad Transfer

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  1. Beyerball

    Beyerball Well-Known Member

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    Let's assume we land JCL and Foreman...With addition of JCL, Foreman and Javon J along with 4 new frosh we have significantly upgraded the roster compared to last year IMO and its not close.

    JCL is a solid SG for most teams...Kid had some really good games vs some really good teams.

    Foreman shot 36% from 3 last year..not terrible.

    We need to upgrade athleticism...3pt shooting...and defense. Adding JCL and Foreman with Javon certainly adds to 3pt shooting and athleticism..defense who knows.

    3 pt made per game last year:
    JCL- 2
    Foreman- 3
    Bolton- 1.5
    Tre- 1.0

    Doesn't include if T Harris gets waiver...Take into account XF is def gonna be shooting 3's..Tre J should def improve quite bit year 1 - 2.

    Still have to land JCL and Foreman or the like.
     
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  2. Hayes30

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    Well **** it why even play next season?
     
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  3. Beyerball

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    They didn't use him in the way Prohm prob will. I don't think Javon will be some 3pt marksman at all..He will be a 6'6-7 is slasher and scorer..But he ran the point at ISU on scout team last year and his year off sounds like he's improved quite a bit. He could be a 10ppg kid.
     
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  4. jcyclonee

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    I would love to see Conditt be the leading scorer next year. If he shortens some of his movements, doesn't rush his shot, and lets the ball roll off his fingers there's so much to work with there.
     
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  5. Statefan10

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    True. I actually haven't thought of him playing a point forward for us.. I guess there was some talk of him playing the PG spot for the scout team so that's good to hear that he was handling the ball a lot in scrimmages.
     
  6. rochclone

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    The freshmen class is the key to Prohm’s tenure. JCL would be worth a couple additional wins. But IMO taking Foreman really only takes away reps from Tre and the freshmen. Foreman is a chucker. If he is a good shooter then why doesn’t he shoot better than 40% from the field? Is he going to shoot better against better defenders? It’s like the Moneyball quote; “If he is a good hitter then why doesn’t he hit the ball?”
     
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  7. brokenloginagain

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    don't fall for it BB - a 10ppg scorer from troy isn't going to suddenly be a difference maker in the b12. kid has played against like 4 p5 schools in his life...
     
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  8. Statefan10

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    You don't think Johnson will be a good player?
     
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  10. mplueg

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    You completely missed what I was referring to! Never once said JCL wasn’t a good choice. I did say we shouldn’t settle for “basketball players” just because! Go back and look at the tape turbo!
     
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    My comment wasn't necessarily pertaining just to you lol. It was towards a variety of posters who choose to look at the absolute worst case scenario almost every single time in regards to Iowa State basketball. Sorry for the confusion as well as the accusation I might've had.
     
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  12. Cyclonepride

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    This is how I imagine a thread might be if 50% of the forum weren't really fans and were just trolling. Almost identical outcome.
     
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  13. Cyclad

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    Fair enough, I understand.
    Unlike others, I often saw a guy trying to make something happen for his team - a team very short on creators. I think many would have a different opinion of him if he had more talent around him. But, yes, not a very good shooter.
     
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  14. brokenloginagain

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    I have no idea, I just think expectations for JJ are waaaay to high. He was an avg player for a low level team. I hope he's a legit b12 role player.
     
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  15. CyTwins

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    The expectations I've seen are like 8-10 ppg and 4-5 rebounds coming off a sit out year. I don't think that's too high
     
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    Sometimes new systems, coaches, and team mates make a pretty big difference for basketball players too.
     
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  17. ATCy

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    I could not agree with this more. I have very tempered expectations for Javan and hope he can be a impact player but I absolutely will wait until I see it happen on the court before I pencil him in as a starter, let alone a top 3 scorer on our team like many assume. Obviously, I would love to be wrong and will gladly eat crow if he proves to be that, but I'll believe it when I see it.
     
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  18. RustShack

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    lol he’s starting.
     
  19. ATCy

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    I'm sure he will but I'd like to see him prove it rather than out of necessity before I anoint him as a 10-12 ppg player coming from the Sun Belt. THT averaged 11.8, I don't see that out of Javan.
     
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  20. CyPunch

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    Don't think most have been higher than 10 ppg on JJ projections. It's good the staff was pleased with his progress during his sit out year. We really need his perimeter length defensively as well as his shooting offensively. I think the "point forward" comments are being blown out of proportion on the message boards but hopefully he possesses some playmaking capabilities.

    Javan will be turning 22 at the beginning of Big 12 play. THT turned 18 after Maui.
     
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