***Houston @ Iowa State POST Game Thread***

[chuckd4735]

Shouldn't we be blaming Cyclone Alley for this near loss. Oh wait...

Acctually I credit the crowd big time for keeping ISU in the game. At the end of regulation the crowd was by far the loudest it has been this year when Houston was shooting FT's, which lead to the miss on the front end of the 1 and 1 (although it didn't make a difference in helping ISU rebound after the miss). The crowd also helped Houston miss the back end of a 1 and 1 towards the end of the first OT which allowed DG to go down and put up a layup to tie the game, instead of needing a 3.

My point is, yesterday was the loudest Hilton has been all year and the students were not there. I'm sure with the students being there it would have been louder, but none the less, the crowd definitely helped ISU get into the 2 OT's.

 

[oldman]

I didn't read through all the posts, and after 17 pages, no one is probably bothering with this thread anymore, but my two cents... I think the team needed a win like this to prove to themselves that they CAN win like this. That will be important in the conference play, because there will probably not be (m)any blow-outs. My guts were really churning though!

 

[chuckd4735]

I didn't read through all the posts, and after 17 pages, no one is probably bothering with this thread anymore, but my two cents... I think the team needed a win like this to prove to themselves that they CAN win like this. That will be important in the conference play, because there will probably not be (m)any blow-outs. My guts were really churning though!

Kind of my thoughts after yesterday. I see one, maybe two "blow-outs" left on the schedule. They now know they can actually win a close game where they don't play to their potential. Hopefully this boosts their confidence!

 

[IcSyU]

At the end of regulation the crowd was by far the loudest it has been this year when Houston was shooting FT's,

My point is, yesterday was the loudest Hilton has been all year and the students were not there. I'm sure with the students being there it would have been louder, but none the less, the crowd definitely helped ISU get into the 2 OT's.

And wrong. I've been at every game I think? Iowa was BY FAR louder. Yesterday was not deafening loud like it's made out to be.

 

[gwoodclone]

I hate to admit it, but I thought we were going to lose for about 90% of the game. I didn't feel confident until the start of the second OT with their two guys out. VERY happy to see us finally win a close one.

I loved the way Gilstrap played in the second OT. That's the type of effort, aggressiveness, and toughness that will restore Hilton Magic. I hope the rest of the team, Brackins especially, was paying attention. Maybe I'm crazy, but I think that could be the spark that gets this team rolling and playing at the level we thought they would be this year. I'm much more optimistic about the Duke now than I had been.

 

[chuckd4735]

And wrong. I've been at every game I think? Iowa was BY FAR louder. Yesterday was not deafening loud like it's made out to be.

I could not disagree more. I have been to every game other than the first exhibition game. The Iowa game was not even the second loudest Hilton has been this year. There was one game earlier this season that got pretty loud considering the opponent/attendance. I think it may have been Idaho State.

 

[chuckd4735]

I hate to admit it, but I thought we were going to lose for about 90% of the game. I didn't feel confident until the start of the second OT with their two guys out. VERY happy to see us finally win a close one.

I loved the way Gilstrap played in the second OT. That's the type of effort, aggressiveness, and toughness that will restore Hilton Magic. I hope the rest of the team, Brackins especially, was paying attention. Maybe I'm crazy, but I think that could be the spark that gets this team rolling and playing at the level we thought they would be this year. I'm much more optimistic about the Duke now than I had been.

I felt we would win for about the first 4 minutes of the game, and the last minute of the 2nd OT. The other 55 minutes of the game I was sure ISU would lose.

 

[jsmith86]

So here is my analysis of the game: ahhhhhhhhh!! Did I hear right that Brackins was shut down for the second half? And that Lucca was our leading scorer? And that we are playing Duke this week??? ahhhhhhh!!!!




And in other news, it is way too cold up here in Ames and CR. I miss Arizona and our hotel with 2 huge pools and 6 hot tubs built into the buttes.

 

[Dave19642006]

So here is my analysis of the game: ahhhhhhhhh!! Did I hear right that Brackins was shut down for the second half? And that Lucca was our leading scorer? And that we are playing Duke this week??? ahhhhhhh!!!!




And in other news, it is way too cold up here in Ames and CR. I miss Arizona and our hotel with 2 huge pools and 6 hot tubs built into the buttes.

I am enjoying the warm weather here....wish I could sent it your way

 

[Tornado man]

Acctually I credit the crowd big time for keeping ISU in the game. At the end of regulation the crowd was by far the loudest it has been this year when Houston was shooting FT's, which lead to the miss on the front end of the 1 and 1 (although it didn't make a difference in helping ISU rebound after the miss).

My point is, yesterday was the loudest Hilton has been all year and the students were not there. I'm sure with the students being there it would have been louder, but none the less, the crowd definitely helped ISU get into the 2 OT's.

I agree totally with this post. The crowd was tremendous yesterday, and as you stated, the loudest of the year.

 

[HILLCYD]

Haven't read the thread but here are my observations from being at the game yesterday:

1. No toughness, mentally or physically

2. I am no basketball coach, but I can't figure out our offensive sets for the life of me. For the most part everyone stands around for and waits for a 3 to be tossed up with 27 secs left on the shot clock.

3. Gilstrap showed what he CAN do late in the game. Most of the time however he appears to be out of control. He is the last person I want to see handling the ball, except for maybe Lucca.

4. Great crowd, I think it had to do with a large number of free tickets going out, but it was a cold day and a lot of people showed up. They also got loud a few times.

5. Overall our D was solid, most shots were contested, but that little guard could pull up and hit a jumper that hardly made the net move.

6. I have never seen such a parking fiasco in all my life. Cars were being blocked in, etc. I know you couldn't see the lines, but common sense needs to prevail.

That's all I got.

 

[chuckd4735]

Haven't read the thread but here are my observations from being at the game yesterday:

1. No toughness, mentally or physically

2. I am no basketball coach, but I can't figure out our offensive sets for the life of me. For the most part everyone stands around for and waits for a 3 to be tossed up with 27 secs left on the shot clock.

3. Gilstrap showed what he CAN do late in the game. Most of the time however he appears to be out of control. He is the last person I want to see handling the ball, except for maybe Lucca.

4. Great crowd, I think it had to do with a large number of free tickets going out, but it was a cold day and a lot of people showed up. They also got loud a few times.

5. Overall our D was solid, most shots were contested, but that little guard could pull up and hit a jumper that hardly made the net move.

6. I have never seen such a parking fiasco in all my life. Cars were being blocked in, etc. I know you couldn't see the lines, but common sense needs to prevail.

That's all I got.

I would actually argue that this was the first time we showed any bit of mental toughness this year, and maybe the first time since the Missouri road game in McDermott's first year. That type of game has not gone in Iowa States favor in a very long time.

Was this your first game at Hilton with snow on the ground? Parking is a free for all when there is any bit of snow cover in the parking lot, has been since I have been coming to games.

 

[HILLCYD]

I would actually argue that this was the first time we showed any bit of mental toughness this year, and maybe the first time since the Missouri road game in McDermott's first year. That type of game has not gone in Iowa States favor in a very long time.

Was this your first game at Hilton with snow on the ground? Parking is a free for all when there is any bit of snow cover in the parking lot, has been since I have been coming to games.

I would agree we saw some toughness, but not really until overtime. These guys don't fight for balls and rebounds. You can see certain players (I won't name them here) body language and attitude change in front of your eyes when things don't go their way. I understand that this is somewhat normal, but I think our guys seem to hold onto to that stuff too long in my opinion.

As for parking, I have been to several games with snow, and have seen some craziness, Sunday seemed worse to me though.

 

[chuckd4735]

I would agree we saw some toughness, but not really until overtime. These guys don't fight for balls and rebounds. You can see certain players (I won't name them here) body language and attitude change in front of your eyes when things don't go their way. I understand that this is somewhat normal, but I think our guys seem to hold onto to that stuff too long in my opinion.

As for parking, I have been to several games with snow, and have seen some craziness, Sunday seemed worse to me though.

I didn't say we were physically tough. I think we have lacked that all year and in the game yesterday. Mentally though, the last 1 minute of regulation and the 2 OT's was the toughest I have seen an ISU basketball team in a long time.

 

[BooneCy]

I am going to have to agree with chuckd and Tornado Man on the crowd. I'm not sure why IcSyU is all upset about. For a holiday break crowd, it was well over 10,000 and made some solid noise. Cheered the team when they were down and cheered them whey they did good. I think the crowd did pretty good without the students.

 

[HILLCYD]

I am going to have to agree with chuckd and Tornado Man on the crowd. I'm not sure why IcSyU is all upset about. For a holiday break crowd, it was well over 10,000 and made some solid noise. Cheered the team when they were down and cheered them whey they did good. I think the crowd did pretty good without the students.

Way over 10,000? I was thinking it was around 8K.

 

[iowast8fan]

I am going to have to agree with chuckd and Tornado Man on the crowd. I'm not sure why IcSyU is all upset about. For a holiday break crowd, it was well over 10,000 and made some solid noise. Cheered the team when they were down and cheered them whey they did good. I think the crowd did pretty good without the students.

It wasn't 10,000 fans, but I agree that the crowd was great considering the lack of students. I can't imagine how much louder it could have been with students in session.

Hate to pick on cyclone alley FT waves again, but: The crowd was nice and loud and I think it assisted in some missed free throws late in the game. We should have won it after one missed free throw if we could rebound. I think this helps display what is missing from the CA Free Throw waves. The rest of the fans tend to rely heavily on cyclone alley to lead the way for noise. If they aren't jumping and screaming during free throws because they are concentrating on swinging to the left, the crowd won't jump and scream either. We need the jumping and screaming!

 

[jbhtexas]

I would agree we saw some toughness, but not really until overtime. These guys don't fight for balls and rebounds. You can see certain players (I won't name them here) body language and attitude change in front of your eyes when things don't go their way. I understand that this is somewhat normal, but I think our guys seem to hold onto to that stuff too long in my opinion.

One of the key things to being a successful contributor to a basketball team is learning how to adapt when things aren't going well for you individually, particularly on the offensive end. I played league ball for many years, and I was always amazed to see how players who were missing shots in a particular game would become a liability on the defensive end.

I was taught that when your shot isn't dropping, or you aren't getting open because of a tough defender, or you get a bad call or two against you, you need to work that much harder in other areas so that you are still contributing (like defense and rebounding). In basketball, it is easy to tie your game demeanor and intensity to your offensive output (particularly if you are accustomed to scoring), and it takes strong mental discipline to maintain and even increase your defensive intensity when things are not going well for you on the offensive end.

On the defensive rebounding side, in the games I've watched against the better teams (like UNI for instance), ISU's players often seem to end up too far under the basket when the ball hits the rim. Because the real-time camera shot is usually following the ball, it is tough to see why that happens, but there aren't many reasons that I can think of for that to happen beyond improper rebounding technique, lack of talent/physical strength, or insufficient effort.

 

[HILLCYD]

One of the key things to being a successful contributor to a basketball team is learning how to adapt when things aren't going well for you individually, particularly on the offensive end. I played league ball for many years, and I was always amazed to see how players who were missing shots in a particular game would become a liability on the defensive end.

I was taught that when your shot isn't dropping, or you aren't getting open because of a tough defender, or you get a bad call or two against you, you need to work that much harder in other areas so that you are still contributing (like defense and rebounding). In basketball, it is easy to tie your game demeanor and intensity to your offensive output (particularly if you are accustomed to scoring), and it takes strong mental discipline to maintain and even increase your defensive intensity when things are not going well for you on the offensive end.

On the defensive rebounding side, in the games I've watched against the better teams (like UNI for instance), ISU's players often seem to end up too far under the basket when the ball hits the rim. Because the real-time camera shot is usually following the ball, it is tough to see why that happens, but there aren't many reasons that I can think of for that to happen other than improper rebounding technique, lack of physical strength, or insufficient effort.

I saw this multiple times yesterday.