Congrats to Coach Herman..... I think it makes sense to have him calling the plays through the bowl game. Excited to see who's next.
Herman Gone? Some possible replacements
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Maybe you're right. Maybe Urban Meyer looked at Tom Herman's play calling and stats and said:
"You know what? He really doesn't do anything for me. But since I'm going to build my team around defense, I really don't want to score that many points anyway. He seems to have proven that the one thing his offenses can't possibly do is score, and he's excellent at making sure they fumble and throw pick 6s in the redzone. That'll really sharpen up my defense to put them into a little hole where they have to score just to stay in the game. Herman's the man for me!"
Maybe. I'll have to think about this a little more.
Disagree whole-heartedly. Herman is now a Buckeye. He is no longer a Cyclone.
We don't need the distraction in NYC.
Herman will probably be a HC is about five years. It would take him longer here at ISU as we will always be more of a rushing and defensive team. He will learn a lot from Meyer and odds are Meyer will make OSU a top school again and teams will be calling for his coordinators.
We need to get someone hired ASAP. I'm assuming they will stick with the same system. Let the new guy start implementing some of what he wants to do and let someone like Messingham be Co-OC for this bowl game. Try not to change too much, but still get a little jump start on next year.
What distraction? OSU already has an OC for their bowl game (they filed for a two-staff waiver), so Herman just gets to focus on winning in the post season and maybe (if he's lucky) showing off for his new team.
Continuity through the bowl season is great. No pressure to replace him in a hurry or to scramble duties.
Beat Rutgers.
What distraction?! Oh, you might not have heard yet, our Offensive Coordinator accepted a job at Ohio State.
Didn't Tony Franklin take over a team about this time before a Bowl game and they had their best offensive game of the year against a top defensive team in his new offense they learned in like a month?
8 days of practice.
Very similar offense to ours.
Bring him in; send Herman on his way.
Why do ISU fans always forget to pack their towels? Don't panic. Fiddling with a one-time "co" anything is a waste. Why introduce a new process in the middle of a good season? If anything, they just need to uh (to borrow a brilliant catch phrase) "do what they do."
The new OC doesn't need to go through the motions with the old OC to know how to OC a football game.
There's no "jump start" to be gained. What you propose is more akin to a short circuit.
Now, I'm fine if CPR moves to fill the slot quickly, and even if the guy comes as a figurehead observer to the bowl game, if it happens that quickly.
But I've got no problem waiting until after the bowl season, esp. if he's got a bowl coach in mind.
Oh, yeah. I'm sure that'll be the discussion in the huddle.
"I can't believe he's calling that play. Doesn't he realize that he's moving on?"
"Yeah, to Ohio State. I bet Meyer worked out a back room deal with Ferentz to get us to lose this game for revenge. No way I run this bubble screen."
"I'm out. Screw this coach. Such a big distraction. Ready. On three! Break!"
Wow, talk about missing the mark. What my question was, what was it about Herman that came to Meyer's attention? I never said Herman was a bad OC, quite the opposite. I do think there are better OC's out there for ISU, but that doesn't mean that TH is bad at his job. I don't think Miles would be a good fit for ISU, but that doesn't mean he is a bad coach. Someone said that they share an agent. That makes sense and I acknowledge that connects a lot of dots.
Do you really think that Meyer just sits and watches all 120 teams in America to see who had the best OC. Something had to connect the dots. Meyer didn't just form a interest in ISU and think to himself, "this guy doesn't have good numbers but he is doing a lot with what he has". Not everyone lives and breaths ISU. For Herman to pop out at someone like Meyer, someone had to draw Meyers attention to him.
So Ohio State gets two coaching staffs? The interm crew is coaching for bowl game. Meyer's crew can hit the road and recruit. So the transition is about as good as it can be? Meyer can start right away for recruiting purposes but isn't bogged down coaching the kids for the bowl.
Why wouldn't he want Herman now? Have a chance to discuss schemes, etc. plus get him on the road, making connections.
And what if he lays an egg in the bowl game and we win ugly (9-6 or something)? How would thatbe received by OSU fans?
Plus, as an ISU fan, I would rather use it as an audition for messingham. Let's see what he can do before we decide either way.
Why wouldn't he want Herman now? Have a chance to discuss schemes, etc. plus get him on the road, making connections.
And what if he lays an egg in the bowl game and we win ugly (9-6 or something)? How would thatbe received by OSU fans?
Plus, as an ISU fan, I would rather use it as an audition for messingham. Let's see what he can do before we decide either way.
I have no idea how the players feel about Herman's decision. maybe they are all perfectly fine with it. I do know they are young men, who have personal relationships with Herman.
Either way, he is a Buckeye now. I'm not mad at him. But the fact is, he is no longer a Cyclone.
So you want us to just go to the bowl game without an OC then? That could work, if CPR was a former OC instead of DC. The problem isn't knowing how to OC a football game, its knowing how to OC the same exact offense our players know.
Herman to tOSU as an OC/QB coach makes way more sense than when it was first reported as just a QB coach. Happy for Herman, and happy for the Buckeyes (yes, I like them since I was born/raised in Ohio).
The frustration Rhoads had with the offense was painfully obvious in our stretch of 4 losses in October. I'm sure there was a conversation being held on offensive improvement, and part of the reason TH is moving on. It does set us back a little IMO, and that is disappointing because I was hoping we would turn another page next year. Hopefully the new OC can come in and continue the good qualities that we had going.
Tony Franklin kind of seems like a gimmick to me.
The frustration Rhoads had with the offense was painfully obvious in our stretch of 4 losses in October. I'm sure there was a conversation being held on offensive improvement, and part of the reason TH is moving on. It does set us back a little IMO, and that is disappointing because I was hoping we would turn another page next year. Hopefully the new OC can come in and continue the good qualities that we had going.
Tony Franklin kind of seems like a gimmick to me.
I hear where you are coming from, but he's not really a Buckeye now: the current OC will coach in their bowl game. I'd rather hear the announcement now, deal with it after the bowl game, than have the news that he's jumping ship after the bowl game.
All I know is how I would feel as a player: I'd be delighted to get to be a part of the send-off for my honored coach. I'd hate not getting the chance to savor one last game with him at the helm and instead adjusting to the interim "make-good" process.
It will give them focus, continuity and a better shot at victory. Heck if propping up the dessicated corpse of Hayden Fry* on the sideline would give us a better shot at victory, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
I see disruption and stress at unceremoniously dumping the OC before the game. I see continuity and a soft landing my keeping him on. I vote soft landing.
*Oh, he's not dead? I must be thinking of Bill Snyder.
