100 years of evidence? Give me 1 example in the history of college football where a big time school has hired an offensive coordinator after a smaller school got rid of him.
Iowa State did NOT get rid of Tom Herman
Herman Gone? Some possible replacements
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100 years of evidence? Give me 1 example in the history of college football where a big time school has hired an offensive coordinator after a smaller school got rid of him.
Iowa State did NOT get rid of Tom Herman
There is a slim chance that Herman didn't feel like he had a ton of job security, but I sincerely doubt that he would have been let go after the season. You don't build continuity by dumping your OC after 3 years when he is finally running with his players. He may have been on thin ice if there was regression, but I think he would have been back for at least 2012.
As it is, he is in an awesome situation. Even if he doesn't call the plays at tOSU, he get the resume boost of working under Meyer. He will get to work with top notch talent and possibly parlay that into a BCS head coach job with a few years of success. That is huge for him. We could see him coaching against us in the future, who knows. He is now a big branch of the CPR coaching tree (as well as Ash at WI).
As it is, he is in an awesome situation. Even if he doesn't call the plays at tOSU, he get the resume boost of working under Meyer. He will get to work with top notch talent and possibly parlay that into a BCS head coach job with a few years of success. That is huge for him. We could see him coaching against us in the future, who knows. He is now a big branch of the CPR coaching tree (as well as Ash at WI).
But was Iowa state going to get rid of Herman?
That is not sufficient to prove anything. Again, you are saying any coach good enough for osu is good enough for ISU, which is not true.
To your 1st sentence. No Iowa State was not going to get rid of Herman
To your 2nd sentence. That's not what I said. At all.
So you agree that Herman going to OSU says nothing positive about his job status at ISU?
It is exactly what you are saying- a coach does not get let go at ISU and get hired by OSU. 100 years of history and it has not happened. Why?.. because if OSU wants that coach, ISU must as well.
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I am guessing that TH had one more year to show improvement, but he decided that an early exit was better for him longterm. It was probably a smart move by him.
If you really talked to JP, then your info would be correct. But based upon how JP has handled himself in the past, I would question that he would share that.
No because the Ohio State's of the world don't hire guys that schools like Iowa State want to get rid of. It doesn't happen and to think otherwise is naive.
But that doesn't mean that just b/c a guy coaches at OSU that he can coach at ISU. Case in point, Barney Cotton. It's not one or the other.
Listen, I'm not a Herman fan. I don't think he did a great job at ISU. I said the same after we beat Oklahoma State. Go back and look at my posts. His 21 ppg will easily be replaced. With that said, he would have been back last year and we weren't getting rid of him. The thought that we were getting rid of him so Ohio State of all schools picked him up is laughable.
That's funny! Because, after all, Jamie is such a big mouth about the happenings in the athletic department.
Did he also tell you who Rhoads will hire for a replacement?
Tom Herman is going to make near 750K at Ohio State. At THE OHIO STATE. That's the ONLY reason he needed to take the job.
But if you want more? He would get to learn under Urban Meyer. Goes from a defensive coach to an offensive coach. Win for him
It's not a shock he left ISU and doesn't mean he felt the pressure. We could have gave him a lifetime contract and he still would have taken that job
But if you want more? He would get to learn under Urban Meyer. Goes from a defensive coach to an offensive coach. Win for him
It's not a shock he left ISU and doesn't mean he felt the pressure. We could have gave him a lifetime contract and he still would have taken that job
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Yeah the fact is that everything else is just speculation and rumor and has no basis. There are still things that don't add up completely, but that comes from not knowing what is going on inside Meyer, Herman and Rhoads heads. It may or may not mean anything more than that. Unless Herman speaks up we may never know anything more. JP and Rhoads won't say anything because not only is it poor form and could make it hard to hire coaches in the future, it could be taken as liable and cause Herman to sue the AD.
Not an offensive coordinator, but Gene Chizik isn't too far off from what you're asking... ISU could've have been luckier than Auburn taking that piece of work off our hands.
This one has always been a favorite of mine.
How quickly the big 12 has changed.
Only 4 of the 12 still coaching at those schools, and one of those is at a school on the way out the door.
Man, you have got some sweet connections! Well??? Lay it on us! Who is the next OC going to be??
And did he happen to share with you his thinking on our wrestling program? Just curious where KJ stands.
No one's saying that he wouldntve had plenty of reason to take that job.
That doesnt mean AT ALL that he wasnt pushed out. He couldve been nudged to look for other opportunities, and he hit a home run getting the OSU job. You act like the two things are mutually exclusive, that OSU would never hire him if he'd been pushed out. But from their end all they see is a guy looking for other opportunities.
We have no proof either way. I couldve seen Rhoads letting him go (it seems a bit early, but it was contract renewal time.. either do it now or pay more to break it later), or i could definitely have seen him being kept on.
