Fans for WV?

How is this cave worthy? Cave is for politics, nobody mentioned politics that I can see. I think limited attendance to outdoor sporting events with social distancing and mask requirements is fine for the most part, but people can share their contrary opinions without it being cave worthy.

I don't think we should be talking about "returning to normal" just because we've rounded yet another corner or are coming down from yet another peak, but I don't think that opinion should move a thread to the cave either since it's not political.
 
I mean, it's a topic inherently intertwined with how people respond to this virus. If discussion in that vein is cave-worthy then the answer is yes. Especially when people can't help but include knuckle dragging comments calling people who are doing the right things and being cautious "panicking".

“doing the right thing” and “knuckle dragging comments” is just another way of saying everyone who disagrees with me doesn’t care about others and wants my grandma to die, despite the fact that that there is very little evidence suggesting what they want to do and are excited about (attend an outdoor event that is socially distanced and required masks) is likely to lead to mass Covid spread on any kind of significant scale. No higher risk then a trip to the store anyway.

so yea, if you want to stay home then stay home, but stop trying to vilify everyone who thinks differently
 
Talking about something that is completely applicable to a conversation and situation doesn't make something "cave-worthy." When you are literally talking about a gathering of thousands of people during a global pandemic, politicizing it or downplaying it seems almost irresponsible.

I have been to a game this year, so I'm not against it, but the live in fear and normal life talk is really dumb.
The discussion doesn’t ever stay civil though and name calling and negative dialect always ensues and soaks everything up. When what we should be doing to talking about the game that will be one of the biggest ones ever to be played in that stadium.
 
Bruh, it is completely applicable to the conversation. Ignore it if it bothers you so much.
That’s fine. You’re part of the problem. You’re not gonna change you’re mind and I’m not gonna change mine. “Bruh”
 
Then argue about knuckle dragging and panicking and all that in another thread about covid and opening up the country. Leave this one for those who are going to the game and want to have a discussion about it.

This is not just a thread for those who are going to the game. This is a thread about whether that should be a thing at all, and thus it's completely relevant to that conversation.
 
I mean, it's a topic inherently intertwined with how people respond to this virus. If discussion in that vein is cave-worthy then the answer is yes (though I dont think it should be caved). Especially when people can't help but include knuckle dragging comments calling people who are doing the right things and being cautious "panicking".

What are those right things? Everyone in attendance appears to be wearing a mask. Everyone is maintaining a social distance from other groups within the stadium. Are those not the right things to do? I don't recall anyone calling out posters for following ISU Athletics COVID Guidelines inside the stadium.
 
The discussion doesn’t ever stay civil though and name calling and negative dialect always ensues and soaks everything up. When what we should be doing to talking about the game that will be one of the biggest ones ever to be played in that stadium.

The thread title != let’s talk about WVU and how the game will go. If that’s the direction you want to go with then fine but stop responding to everyone with a covid take and talk about the game then...
 
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This is not just a thread for those who are going to the game. This is a thread about whether that should be a thing at all, and thus it's completely relevant to that conversation.
Then be civil about it but you have demonstrated you can be so this detracts from the conversation about the biggest game in that stadium ever and doesn’t seem right. I’m not gonna apologize for that stance.
 
That’s fine. You’re part of the problem. You’re not gonna change you’re mind and I’m not gonna change mine. “Bruh”

I am just saying that it has to be some part of the conversation. I agree with you about the name calling, but we can't act like it isn't a huge part of everything we do, including how we watch ISU football.
 
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“doing the right thing” and “knuckle dragging comments” is just another way of saying everyone who disagrees with me doesn’t care about others and wants my grandma to die, despite the fact that that there is very little evidence suggesting what they want to do and are excited about (attend an outdoor event that is socially distanced and required masks) is likely to lead to mass Covid spread on any kind of significant scale. No higher risk then a trip to the store anyway.

so yea, if you want to stay home then stay home, but stop trying to vilify everyone who thinks differently

Hey look it's more garbage. No one is saying any of that. In fact many of us are saying that the attendance policies that we've been doing are low risk.

Someone decided to call people who are cautious "panicking". That's the actual vilifying. Not the ******** you're whining about.
 
What are those right things? Everyone in attendance appears to be wearing a mask. Everyone is maintaining a social distance from other groups within the stadium. Are those not the right things to do? I don't recall anyone calling out posters for following ISU Athletics COVID Guidelines inside the stadium.

Maybe learn to read the whole thread.
 
The thread title != let’s talk about WVU and how the game will go. If that’s the direction you want to go with then fine but stop responding to everyone with a covid take and talk about the game then...
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Hey look it's more garbage. No one is saying any of that. In fact many of us are saying that the attendance policies that we've been doing are low risk.

Someone decided to call people who are cautious "panicking". That's the actual vilifying. Not the ******** you're whining about.
[types furiously] “im not panicked, you’re panicked”

better look at your post history. Feels pretty panicky
 
I think JP made the correct decision for now. Outside, masks, and distancing limit risks and hopefully exposure during ingress and egress is not for a lengthy period. Hopefully people keep the masks up but some attitudes expressed make you wonder.

Since it will take a few days for people to get sick from Thanksgiving, hopefully that will hold out and not turn out to lead to more hospitalizations. I am sure JP will keep an eye on things and hopefully does not need to change his decision, but I trust him to do his best in a difficult situation more than people who only see one side of an issue.

A friend who got Covid at a wedding and died took 11 days to develop symptoms while some at the same wedding were sick more in a five day range. I suppose some of them may have brought it to the wedding and were not symptomatic when they went. Or maybe it has more to do with viral loads or something, not really sure.

We did just end a month of highest deaths so far. Hospitalizations are trending down but when people get used to really high numbers, they get desensitized to the fact that things aren’t great. We have had an increase in long term care facilities with cases, and another dead correctional worker with DOC flags at half mask today. Deaths are still high. A friend’s daughter who just got her nursing degree went straight to Covid cases in a DM hospital, partly because she just recovered from Covid. Quite an emotional toil on a new nurse to be trying to help the families.

Reasonable people can disagree on what to do in this situation. I respect and agree with JP’s decision and wish people could still respectfully disagree.
 
I am just saying that it has to be some part of the conversation. I agree with you about the name calling, but we can't act like it isn't a huge part of everything we do, including how we watch ISU football.
Yep we are on the same page. If we can talk about with civility, let’s do it. But let’s not get into some huge debate with name calling, etc. The Jack is going to finally get to be on display for a championship level game and I’ll be damned if I’m gonna let anything take away from that. I’ve seen so much sh*tty football in there that watching a game like like this is a dream come true.
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We have gone to the home games where fans are allowed. I understand that being around people i don't know, especially as we leave the stadium, increases our risk. Its somewhat mitigated by the high mask compliance of fans (90%+ I bet) there, the distancing while seated, and it being outdoors. We decided our overall risk increase isn't significantly greater than when we are indoors grocery shopping, etc (still w masks obviously). Less safe than staying home for sure but not reckless and a decent compromise imo
 
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Shortsighted call from Pollard here.
Erik, I love ya, and respect your intelligence and opinions on the vast majority of issues. I don’t get your intransigence on this when attendance in an outdoor venue, with responsible people socially distanced and masked is demonstrably not spreading the virus.

My one question will be when/if everyone swarms the field afterwards. I expect that to be discouraged.
 
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