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David Sims charged

jahfg said:
Let's not forget that Iowa has had more trouble with the law than ISU recently (past 2 or 3 years). That is part of the reason ISU fans have thought that Kirk's penalties should be stiffer.

I agree that too many ISU fans are being hypocrites, but all fanbases have hypocrites...especially when it comes to judging their rival.
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I agree with this. I was mostly pointing out that even if you gave the Hawkeyes crap for their problems, and now believe Sims didn't do much, it doesn't necessarily make you a hypocrite.

Fun can be had on both sides. I mean, we did a thing about the Hampton beer pong pics, but not a single one of us believed they should really be in trouble for it...
 
Stormin said:
NO ONE is defending Sims' actions. He is wrong. He committed a crime.

What we are arguing over is the severity of the penalty imposed.

Sims is a FIRST time offender. Sims made restitution. Sims is willing to admit his guilt and pay the penalty imposed and submit to probation.

That is a reasonable penalty for a FIRST time offender.

For the football aspect of his penalty. CPR has stated that he will be stripped of his Captain status. And it is said that he will be given a 1 game suspension.

For a first time offender that is a reasonable penalty IMO.

You can argue that the penalties should be more severe. But DO NOT suggest that everyone is defending Sims' actions in this matter. THAT is not true.
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Don't kid yourself... It's not about pointing out hypocricy, debating the penalty, etc.

It's about being able to talk down to others and put oneself on a pedestal.
 
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azn4cy said:
I think there is plenty of hypocrisy around yes, but I think you are leaving one part out. giving Iowa fans crap, and vice versa

Just like how Iowa fans call us Moo U, etc, it's all in jest, like when people call Iowa "CrimeU". Do most people actually think players should seriously be suspended for several games or get the boot for an MIP?

I would imagine plenty of Iowa fans will make credit card jokes this year, even if they don't think what Sims did was that bad, and ISU fans will continue to laugh at Binns, Hampton, etc, even if they don't believe any of what happened is unforgivable.
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Correct. There is a difference between the ribbing and the crying foul. I'm referring to the discrepancy between the crying foul in one case and "its on that bad" when it's one of your own.

jahfg said:
Let's not forget that Iowa has had more trouble with the law than ISU recently (past 2 or 3 years). That is part of the reason ISU fans have thought that Kirk's penalties should be stiffer.

I agree that too many ISU fans are being hypocrites, but all fanbases have hypocrites...especially when it comes to judging their rival.
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100% fair point.

Stormin said:
NO ONE is defending Sims' actions. He is wrong. He committed a crime.

What we are arguing over is the severity of the penalty imposed.

Sims is a FIRST time offender. Sims made restitution. Sims is willing to admit his guilt and pay the penalty imposed and submit to probation.

That is a reasonable penalty for a FIRST time offender.

For the football aspect of his penalty. CPR has stated that he will be stripped of his Captain status. And it is said that he will be given a 1 game suspension.

For a first time offender that is a reasonable penalty IMO.

You can argue that the penalties should be more severe. But DO NOT suggest that everyone is defending Sims' actions in this matter. THAT is not true.
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My apologies. I have seen people defend him stating it's not a big deal at all. Perhaps not in this thread, but in others. I wasn't coming after you...more making a global observation.

DaddyMac said:
Don't kid yourself... It's not about pointing out hypocricy, debating the penalty, etc.

It's about being able to talk down to others and put oneself on a pedestal.
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Grind that axe, baby. Grind it good...
 
HILLCYD said:
I think it is ******** when anyone breaks the law and doesn't pay for what they did.

EDIT - Breaks the law, is stupid enough to get caught, and doesn't pay for what they did.
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SO you must self report every time you speed, don't wear your seat belt or park illegally right? If you find a $5 bill on the sidewalk you wouldn't pick it up or if you did you would be sure to put it in the paper and on the radio so the rightful owner could regain possession. My point is that everyone does something stupid at some point in their life. Well, everyone except for 2 posters here. This is the first time he has ever been in any sort of serious trouble. I will be punished but I don't think this situation calls for a lynch mob.
 
yaman3 said:
SO you must self report every time you speed, don't wear your seat belt or park illegally right? If you find a $5 bill on the sidewalk you wouldn't pick it up or if you did you would be sure to put it in the paper and on the radio so the rightful owner could regain possession. My point is that everyone does something stupid at some point in their life. Well, everyone except for 2 posters here. This is the first time he has ever been in any sort of serious trouble. I will be punished but I don't think this situation calls for a lynch mob.
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I'm not sure that one can compare finding a $5 bill on the street - no means of ID, with finding a credit card with a name, phone number, etc on it.

Say you find a wallet or something - you got a point.

As for the speeding/seatbelt - you have a bit of a point. But is that committing fraud/theft of another person? I don't think that's really comparable.

To me -what Sims (apparently) did is no different than walking into someone's open door and walking out with their TV. They stole from them just the same.
 
DaddyMac said:
I'm not sure that one can compare finding a $5 bill on the street - no means of ID, with finding a credit card with a name, phone number, etc on it.

Say you find a wallet or something - you got a point.

As for the speeding/seatbelt - you have a bit of a point. But is that committing fraud/theft of another person? I don't think that's really comparable.

To me -what Sims (apparently) did is no different than walking into someones open door and walking out with their TV. They stole from them just the same.
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HILL said he couldn't stand people doing something illegal and getting away with it. My point was that he likely did that every day. I know the scenarios aren't realistic. As for the $5 bill. That would still be stealing. It is different however because there is no way to identify the true owner like a CC.
 
tm3308 said:
It's not even close to as bad. Sure, it's a mark against your good character to steal. But that just means that maybe people won't trust you. It's not going to hurt anyone but you. Driving drunk can get someone killed.
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tm3308 -

There I definitely agree with you. However, you and I are looking at the possible repercussions of doing something as stupid as driving drunk.

I'm originally from the country and drunk drivers in the country are travelling at the sort of speeds that can lead to accidents that can end lives. Thus, that definitely colors my view of things.

A few interesting counterpoints though might include:

- Concerning the law and morality, folks often place a great emphasis on INTENT. Drunk driving is dangerous ... but it is often the product of stupidity without intent. In contrast, while stealing is stupid too ... but it is with INTENT.

- Drunk driving in-town at low speed is arguably less likely to lead to fatalities. Although it is still poor behavior, it is not as dangerous as driving faster while impaired. Similarly, driving mopeds while impaired isn't as dangerous either.

Of course, many folks tend to see these sort of issues only in black and white ... and thus get easily polarized depending on their vantage.
 
yaman3 said:
HILL said he couldn't stand people doing something illegal and getting away with it. My point was that he likely did that every day. I know the scenarios aren't realistic. As for the $5 bill. That would still be stealing. It is different however because there is no way to identify the true owner like a CC.
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I believe what he said was that people should pay for it when caught. It goes without saying people shouldn't be breaking laws to begin with.

But to expect that someone get better/different treatment because of some sort of "status" is what really turns most stomachs.
 
DaddyMac said:
I believe what he said was that people should pay for it when caught. It goes without saying people shouldn't be breaking laws to begin with.

But to expect that someone get better/different treatment because of some sort of "status" is what really turns most stomachs.
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Oh, but as long as you don't get caught you're fine?
 
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