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acoustimac

acoustimac

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Jan 8, 2009
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Talked with a couple of big money folks from baylor. Think the tournament in Dallas is a joke. Say this is the last time they will come. Believe it should be in KC and a joint tournament. Interesting perspective to say the least.
 
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Every school has many fans that might choose to participate in both events if it were possible. Putting them 500 miles apart makes it hard, and the women's tournament probably suffers the most because of that.
 
Having them at the same time in KC seems to make more sense. Would draw more fans.
 
Splitting the tourneys was a bad choice for the women's tourney. If you are already there the casual fan might pick up a game of their womens team also. Most people don't have the time or resources to do both. If it's at the same time in the same town it doesn't cost much more to go to both if you so choose.

The good thing is if Baylor doesn't like it and we can get Ok, TX and us on board it can probably be changed because that is really about all the travelling fans there are.
The bad is they probably want to send the men's tourney to TX and that sure as hell shouldn't happen. Those schools don't even attend regular season games.
 
It was the Big 12 WBB coaches that pushed for it. If I remember correctly, it was only BF who voted against it.
 
runbikeswim said:
It was the Big 12 WBB coaches that pushed for it. If I remember correctly, it was only BF who voted against it.
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I seem to remember the same thing - or we could both be wrong on that.
I do have a different take - I think running the two tourneys at the same time, and hoping for "spillover" attendance is demeaning to women. Now, whether to have it in KC, or OKC, or Dallas, is another issue. There is justification for having it where support is strongest, but also to spread it around for fairness and exposure. Women's fans don't seem to want to travel much.
But having both tourneys running concurrently in the same city automatically makes the women's teams second class IMO.
"What ya wanna do now honey?"
"Well, we can always go over to the women's game."
 
Not me. I'd love to be able to go to both men's and women's tournament games the same weekend in the same town. Cyclone Overload.
 
Tornado man said:
I seem to remember the same thing - or we could both be wrong on that.
I do have a different take - I think running the two tourneys at the same time, and hoping for "spillover" attendance is demeaning to women. Now, whether to have it in KC, or OKC, or Dallas, is another issue. There is justification for having it where support is strongest, but also to spread it around for fairness and exposure. Women's fans don't seem to want to travel much.
But having both tourneys running concurrently in the same city automatically makes the women's teams second class IMO.
"What ya wanna do now honey?"
"Well, we can always go over to the women's game."
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The womens tourney will always be second class billing to the mens one. But people will actually attend the womens one if its in the same city as the men.
 
Tornado man said:
I seem to remember the same thing - or we could both be wrong on that.
I do have a different take - I think running the two tourneys at the same time, and hoping for "spillover" attendance is demeaning to women. Now, whether to have it in KC, or OKC, or Dallas, is another issue. There is justification for having it where support is strongest, but also to spread it around for fairness and exposure. Women's fans don't seem to want to travel much.
But having both tourneys running concurrently in the same city automatically makes the women's teams second class IMO.
"What ya wanna do now honey?"
"Well, we can always go over to the women's game."
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So either have very few fans or just admit that it is second class to the men's tourney and have way more fans?
 
Tornado man said:
I seem to remember the same thing - or we could both be wrong on that.
I do have a different take - I think running the two tourneys at the same time, and hoping for "spillover" attendance is demeaning to women. Now, whether to have it in KC, or OKC, or Dallas, is another issue. There is justification for having it where support is strongest, but also to spread it around for fairness and exposure. Women's fans don't seem to want to travel much.
But having both tourneys running concurrently in the same city automatically makes the women's teams second class IMO.
"What ya wanna do now honey?"
"Well, we can always go over to the women's game."
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That's silly. Everyone operating in a market realizes there are big dogs and the rest. Many retailers locate themselves only in proximity to others that they know draw traffic for them to capitalize on. They are free to puff their chest and go it alone, or make themselves into a big dog if they think they can. If the women's game wants to do that, go ahead. If they loathe 'being overshadowed' then they will have to live with whatever interest they can draw on their own.
 
Tornado man said:
I think running the two tourneys at the same time, and hoping for "spillover" attendance is demeaning to women.
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Don't agree with this at all. It's not demeaning any more than an Iowa State fan who chooses to attend a men's game and skip the women's game later that day is. Rather it's just reflecting the reality that more people go to men's games than to women's. When you know that a large group of fans will be in one area for the men's tournament, you have a better chance of increasing interest and attendance at the women's tournament by holding it in the same city.
 
Tornado man said:
I seem to remember the same thing - or we could both be wrong on that.
I do have a different take - I think running the two tourneys at the same time, and hoping for "spillover" attendance is demeaning to women. Now, whether to have it in KC, or OKC, or Dallas, is another issue. There is justification for having it where support is strongest, but also to spread it around for fairness and exposure. Women's fans don't seem to want to travel much.
But having both tourneys running concurrently in the same city automatically makes the women's teams second class IMO.
"What ya wanna do now honey?"
"Well, we can always go over to the women's game."
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This is post is what is demeaning
 
Tornado man said:
I seem to remember the same thing - or we could both be wrong on that.
I do have a different take - I think running the two tourneys at the same time, and hoping for "spillover" attendance is demeaning to women. Now, whether to have it in KC, or OKC, or Dallas, is another issue. There is justification for having it where support is strongest, but also to spread it around for fairness and exposure. Women's fans don't seem to want to travel much.
But having both tourneys running concurrently in the same city automatically makes the women's teams second class IMO.
"What ya wanna do now honey?"
"Well, we can always go over to the women's game."
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What is better--being a second class tournament with higher attendance or first class with a lot lower attendance? The WBB tourney won't be more popular over the MBB. I'd hope the WBB teams would want higher attendance. As a fan, I like the access to see both of my teams, not just one or miss out.
 
It is demeaning to have TCU and Texas Tech playing in the same city as Kansas and Iowa State. You are just hoping for a spillover effect where the large fan bases choose to go to the other games, just because they're in the same city.
 
kind of sad that Tourney can't draw in Dallas as that location is beneficial to 6 of 10 teams including Texas, Oklahoma, and Baylor.

Men's is just the other way as it mainly benefits KU, ISU, KSU.
 
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