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Tornado man said:
I seem to remember the same thing - or we could both be wrong on that.
I do have a different take - I think running the two tourneys at the same time, and hoping for "spillover" attendance is demeaning to women. Now, whether to have it in KC, or OKC, or Dallas, is another issue. There is justification for having it where support is strongest, but also to spread it around for fairness and exposure. Women's fans don't seem to want to travel much.
But having both tourneys running concurrently in the same city automatically makes the women's teams second class IMO.
"What ya wanna do now honey?"
"Well, we can always go over to the women's game."
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I am going to sounds like an ***, but men's basketball is superior to women's basketball. That is a fact. Now you can take that as a slight against women you can recognize that as what it is, a fact that men are better at basketball than women. If you don't believe me go to your local gym, find 4 girls and yourself and play a team with five boys of the same age. Unless you are under 10 the boys will win as long as the games aren't played to 2.

All that said, the women deserve to be somewhere where they can be appreciated, so what if that is Joe blow saying "honey we don't have anything to do till ISU kicks off at 6, lets go watch the women play at 1." What difference does that make. And if what you say is true, isn't just as demeaning to put them in two different towns and everyone picks to only go to the men's tournament. ISU has great support for their women's basketball team, and it is great and the girls deserve every ounce of that support. But unless you are a parent, grandparent sibling or screwing one of them, don't ever think anyone is going to choose the women's tournament over the men's if all things are equal.

While men might be stronger athletes not all sports are better to watch with men on the court, field or whatever. Women's volleyball, tennis, and gymnastics come to mind. I am sure their are others.
 
runbikeswim said:
It has been a long time since I have been in Muni, so, I am unsure of its current state, but it was in really bad bad shape when the women's tourney was there. Bad seating, bad ceiling, bad restrooms, very very bad PA/scoreboard
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They dropped several million dollars on lighting, audio/video and seating improvements about 18 months ago. Sure, the building itself is old (but what fantastic architecture), but many of the features in the playing area are new. And, the venue is an appropriate size for a women's basketball tournament.

5,000 people in a 9,000-seat venue looks and sounds a lot better than 5,000 people in an NBA arena.
 
boone7247 said:
a fact that men are better at basketball than women.
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Except for this statement you had a pretty lucid commentary. Men are no better at the sport, but they are much different physically and therefore are capable of doing some things (run, jump) better than women. But the skills of basketball...there are women that can do pretty much anything a man can do. Example? Compare free throw shooting between our mens and women's teams. The women trump the men completely. And don't nit pick about ball size. It's only a compensation for their much smaller hands. The technique itself is the same.
 
runbikeswim said:
Kemper was the boy's arena, it is bigger and a more decent facility, but it is in the old stockyards district. Spring and Muni are walking distance. Kemper is a 10-20 minute cab/drive. Though KC Convention Center provided buses between Kemper and the downtown hotels. It has been a long time since I have been in Muni, so, I am unsure of its current state, but it was in really bad bad shape when the women's tourney was there. Bad seating, bad ceiling, bad restrooms, very very bad PA/scoreboard --- however, it is kind of like Allen Fieldhouse, some of that speaks to the history/charm of the place, but nowadays, if it isn't like Cowboy's stadium, it isn't good enough. :-)
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I think UMKC still plays their games in Municipal. It's not for everyone but I like it.
 
acoustimac said:
Except for this statement you had a pretty lucid commentary. Men are no better at the sport, but they are much different physically and therefore are capable of doing some things (run, jump) better than women. But the skills of basketball...there are women that can do pretty much anything a man can do. Example? Compare free throw shooting between our mens and women's teams. The women trump the men completely. And don't nit pick about ball size. It's only a compensation for their much smaller hands. The technique itself is the same.
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Right, and except for the physical difference the local 1A high-school star is just as good of basketball player as the All-Big 12 player. The techniques are the same when little kids play on their 6-foot high hoop too.

It is a sport- being physically superior is being better at the sport.
 
http://www.kctv5.com/story/28309843/kansas-city-chooses-big-12-over-sec

Interesting article on KC and the SEC/Big 12. Just another reason to keep it KC forever.

I thought I saw on Twitter that KC had bid out 2017-2020 for both the men's and women's tournament, but I can't find it now. That would be perfect for the foreseeable future. One bargaining chip that the North schools could use is to keep the Baseball/Softball tournaments in Texas, since the North schools only cares about basketball and the south schools only care about baseball as secondary sports
 
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theshadow said:
They dropped several million dollars on lighting, audio/video and seating improvements about 18 months ago. Sure, the building itself is old (but what fantastic architecture), but many of the features in the playing area are new. And, the venue is an appropriate size for a women's basketball tournament.

5,000 people in a 9,000-seat venue looks and sounds a lot better than 5,000 people in an NBA arena.
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Information on the updates:

http://info.umkc.edu/news/umkc-and-city-partner-to-renovate-municipal-auditorium/
 
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Looks nice, doesn't look "historic."
 
boone7247 said:
men's basketball is superior to women's basketball. That is a fact.
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Is the NBA superior to NCAA basketball? The players are better, but it's not necessarily about talent. You can't say one sport (or one brand of sport) is superior to others. If someone says there's nothing better than high school basketball, he could be right.
 
swarthmoreCY said:
It is a sport- being physically superior is being better at the sport.
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But it doesn't make that flavor of the sport superior. Nobody's arguing that MBB has more physical basketball talent than WBB. I've said in the past that I'm confident a state-champion-caliber high school boy's team would beat a WNBA all-star team.

Those physical limitations make it a completely different sport. Not a worse sport or a better one. A different one.
 
boone7247 said:
But unless you are a parent, grandparent sibling or screwing one of them, don't ever think anyone is going to choose the women's tournament over the men's if all things are equal.
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So the 8k+ going to ISU WBB games must be entirely made up of people who also go to mbb games or fall under your categories listed above?

WBB fans do exist, despite what you may think.
 
mred said:
But it doesn't make that flavor of the sport superior. Nobody's arguing that MBB has more physical basketball talent than WBB. I've said in the past that I'm confident a state-champion-caliber high school boy's team would beat a WNBA all-star team.

Those physical limitations make it a completely different sport. Not a worse sport or a better one. A different one.
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That's ******* ridiculous.
 
klamath632 said:
That's ******* ridiculous.
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Au contraire, my friend. I remember reading an SI article years ago about the practice squad the Tennessee women's team played against. It was a bunch of guys. Not D1 quality guys, but serviceable gym rats who volunteered to scrimmage with the women to help them get tough.

Pat Summitt had to set up rules to hinder the men so that they didn't regularly whoop her team like rented mules. And that wasn't an equal comparison, it was male gym rats vs one of the 5 best women's teams in the country.

I'm not saying that women's ball doesn't have it's good points, but if you're making a women vs. men comparison you ALWAYS take the men unless you make them play with one hand tied behind their backs.
 
Ms3r4ISU said:
As I recall (and I could be wrong) it was a big push by Texas A&M coach Gary Blair to move the WBB Big 12 to Dallas. And then A&M left the conference. So while they never played in front of their "home" crowd the rest of us got stuck being there.

One of the best Big 12 tournaments I remember going to was a few years ago when both MBB and WBB were in Oklahoma City. Great weather, lots of good eat/drink places in easy walking distance, arenas across the street from each other. We had tickets for the women's tournament, but also went to a men's game.
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Yeah. ONE men's game. Thanks G-mac.

Was that the tourney where our women played OU in the finals? That was a hell of a run by Fennelly's girls.
 
mred said:
Then MBB is for you.

I'm not trying to convince anyone that WBB is superior to MBB. WBB played poorly is MUCH worse than MBB played poorly IMHO. But MBB being "superior" to WBB is not a fact either.
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I also hate when people try to compare WBB to MBB. It's just a different sport.

To me enjoying WBB requires following the team and knowing the players. When I was in the WBB Pep Band I loved watching the games and really got into it. It helped that I was in the band during some of their best runs.

MBB I can watch pretty much any game on TV and be interested. I especially love Cyclone MBB because I follow the team closely as well, but I can pretty much watch any MBB game.

NBA is completely different. I haven't followed it since high school so I don't know many of the players except for remembering them from their college days. They are highly skilled basketball players but the games usually don't really interest me. If/when ISU has a player go on to star in the NBA that will probably change my opinion of the league a bit.
 
CYlent Bob said:
Au contraire, my friend. I remember reading an SI article years ago about the practice squad the Tennessee women's team played against. It was a bunch of guys. Not D1 quality guys, but serviceable gym rats who volunteered to scrimmage with the women to help them get tough.

Pat Summitt had to set up rules to hinder the men so that they didn't regularly whoop her team like rented mules. And that wasn't an equal comparison, it was male gym rats vs one of the 5 best women's teams in the country.

I'm not saying that women's ball doesn't have it's good points, but if you're making a women vs. men comparison you ALWAYS take the men unless you make them play with one hand tied behind their backs.
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In a game between the IC West boys basketball team versus the WNBA All-Star Team, I'm taking the WNBA All-Star Team.
 
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