Can KSU stop our spread offense?

So, let me get this straight. You want ISU to run a play that even you don't think would work, just because it might be FUN to see? Honestly, I think plays that work are fun to see.


Nice to see have have a OC right here on CF if we need to scrape the bottom of the barrel.

Makes me wonder why he's chatting on a message board when he should be busy getting paid to run an offense somewhere... :SLEEP:
 
IMO- Pass protection has been decent. Not as good as last year but last year was exceptional. even against iowa, we had time to make 90% of the throws.

And yet on one of Arnaud's interceptions (either the second or third, I don't remember) he got absolutely crushed as he released the ball.

Perhaps Arnaud had time to make 90% of his throws, but the 4 linemen were wreaking enough havoc such that Iowa didn't have to blitz all day long. When the defense is getting sufficient pressure on the QB with only the 4 linemen that they can drop 7 into coverage, the QB is going to have a bad day.
 
They might be able to take on our spread.

But they will never take OUR FREEDOM!!!

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These jerks in purple won last year by blocking a freaking field goal. That bitter taste is still in my mouth and I am sure it is in the players. They need to come together this weekend for one common goal, beat this mildcat team down and get payback.

It was an extra point they blocked and Lemur blocked it for a couple of reasons:
1. His freakishly long primate arms.
2. He illegally used a teammate to heighten his jump. You are not allowed to use another player, tree, vine, etc. to raise yourself higher in an attempt to block a kick.

Example of a Lemur using a tree to get a leaping advantage:
 
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It was an extra point they blocked and Lemur blocked it for a couple of reasons:
1. His freakishly long primate arms.
2. He illegally used a teammate to heighten his jump. You are not allowed to use another player, tree, vine, etc. to raise yourself higher in an attempt to block a kick.

Example of a Lemur using a tree to get a leaping advantage:


Sorry, I meant extra point.

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However, the passes were not very accurate. This was the problem. The passes were short, long, over the wrong shoulder, and too near the defender. AA also does not move around enough to get the clear open passing lanes. He has not shown a lob pass into an open area for receiver to run to. When he fathoms that, he will be much improved. If not, we very run or dumnp the ball off quick the slow, grinding way.

When the weather gets cold, how well will our receivers catch the ball when the pass is off target?

As far as coaching adjustments, it does not appear we are an adjustment team for one reason or another.

Unusual/unpredicted playcalling? Not us. Not yet.
The first two series, the passes were on target and were dropped. The third series it was a little high but defintiely catchable. All in all, AA played decent in the first half and threw good balls. Second halff not so much. This isn't high school football. These guys are D1 WR and RBs. If it hits their hands, they should catch it.

A bad pass isn't always on the QB either. One play that sticks out for me was a route by Franklin. Just a little five yard out. He rounds the route, gets hit by the LB and knocked further off the route. At the same time, Alvarez is pushed back by Clayborn and AC gets a hand up. Arnaud is already in his throwing motion and alters it enough to get the ball through. If Franklin runs a crisp route, it is a completion. If Alvarez holds his block a split second longer it is a completion. Instead the ball missed by a yard, is wobbly, and people claim AA is a POS.

Of the top of my head, I can think of seven drops that were catchable balls. that doesn't count the Franklin play. By catchable, I do not mean tough catches but routine catches that a D1 receiver should make. If those are caught Arnaud goes 27-44 or 62%. If those are caught we have drives extended. If those are caught, our defense gets a little more time to rest. Then no one would be complaining.

Dropped passes shouldn't surprise us either. We heard all about it in fall camp and it was a problem then. Herman didn't like it then and I am sure he doesn't like it now. Not sure why our fans choose to ignore them. We haven't had a receiver drafted in forever. the closest one to the NFL is Hamilton and he is on the practice squad. Why is he on a practice squad? He doesn't have great speed or elusiveness. He does run good routes and has good hands.

Like I have said before... AA needs to get better but so do a lot of other pieces of our offense.
 
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The first two series, the passes were on target and were dropped. The third series it was a little high but defintiely catchable. All in all, AA played decent in the first half and threw good balls. Second halff not so much. This isn't high school football. These guys are D1 WR and RBs. If it hits their hands, they should catch it.

A bad pass isn't always on the QB either. One play that sticks out for me was a route by Franklin. Just a little five yard out. He rounds the route, gets hit by the LB and knocked further off the route. At the same time, Alvarez is pushed back by Clayborn and AC gets a hand up. Arnaud is already in his throwing motion and alters it enough to get the ball through. If Franklin runs a crisp route, it is a completion. If Alvarez holds his block a split second longer it is a completion. Instead the ball missed by a yard, is wobbly, and people claim AA is a POS.

Of the top of my head, I can think of seven drops that were catchable balls. that doesn't count the Franklin play. By catchable, I do not mean tough catches but routine catches that a D1 receiver should make. If those are caught Arnaud goes 27-44 or 62%. If those are caught we have drives extended. If those are caught, our defense gets a little more time to rest. Then no one would be complaining.

Dropped passes shouldn't surprise us either. We heard all about it in fall camp and it was a problem then. Herman didn't like it then and I am sure he doesn't like it now. Not sure why our fans choose to ignore them. We haven't had a receiver drafted in forever. the closest one to the NFL is Hamilton and he is on the practice squad. Why is he on a practice squad? He doesn't have great speed or elusiveness. He does run good routes and has good hands.

Like I have said before... AA needs to get better but so do a lot of other pieces of our offense.

But, but, but, if you had to blame JUST ONE player... :spinny:
 
1. Get the ball out of arnauds hand quickly
2. Arnaud can't complete slant passes and struggles to throw screens and hitches accurately as well. This is what i have observed.

This is a problem

He was much better against Minny and NIU. On target and hit receivers on time. We didn't run many of these against Iowa and when we did they were completions. Money, Darks, and Johnson all caught quick passes for first downs. Johnson actually caught two of them for first downs. One for four yards on 2nd and 3. Another for 9 yards on 2nd and 7.
 
Huh? The whole idea of the spread is to spread the field. Spread the defense and create space for players to make plays. That is it. The no huddle is to prevent substitutions and then allow the OC to read the defense and change the play. We don't run a "hurry up" offense. We didn't saturday and we won't 80% of the time.

BTW- The no huddle has very little effect on iowa because they don't change personnel very often.

Sorry, hurry up or no huddle, but whatever you call it, ISU was calling and running plays at a very fast pace. Did you notice that there was rarely time to show a replay? Did you notice that the announcers didn't have a chance to introduce the offense until the 3rd possession? I realize that the offense is not designed to hurry all the time, but is designed to be ready to go at any point in time.
 
You tell me what the gameplan was on Saturday to stop Iowa's relentless defensive line? You do understand that there are ways to abuse over pursuing defensive lines, right? Is dropping your QB back in the pocket and scanning the entire field looking for WRs 10 yds down the field the way to take advantage of Iowa's d-line? Tell me. Because that was obviously Tom Herman's plan.

I don't remember seeing one of those WR swing bubble screen plays we saw about 20 times against NIU ran against Iowa? Oh wait, we did run one. It was our last offensive play of the game for a TD. I don't remember any screens to Arob or any other RB of ours? Let's see.... how about some mis-direction or counter plays to keep Iowa's DEs honest? Nope. How about 2-3 deep balls (fly patterns) with Sed, so Iowa's safeties couldn't play 8 yds from the line of scrimmage all day long? Nope. Mostly just AA standing in the pocket trying to find an open guy somewhere like a dead duck. Great strategy.

Someone tell me why we would run like 20 of those quick WR swing passes against NIU, but not one against Iowa? That HAD to be the gameplan. You don't just completely abandon something we ran, and ran well, a TON of times the week before without that being part of the gameplan. The gameplan had to be... "throw out those quick WR swing passes." It had to be. Why else did we not see it... EVER.

Running those quick swing passes and screens to the sidelines "spreads" the defense out from sideline to sideline and helps to open up the middle for the run game and pass to the TE down the seam. And no deep passes to "spread" the defense out vertically. As I said... Iowa "spread" us out WAY more. Their so-called vanilla conservative offense was WAY more "spread" than ours. How often did they go deep on us? It was a sad gameplan.. period.

I must admit I was thinking the same thing during the game - the hawks were flowing to the ball very quickly but we gave them no reason not to. The WR screen pass run only once when WR blocking has been the best I have ever seen from ISU... I wonder if CPR and TH discuss this kind of thing after each game - I assume so. I still can't believe we didn't run more of the WR screens - maybe TH was figured Iowa's defense would eat it up...
 
Sorry, hurry up or no huddle, but whatever you call it, ISU was calling and running plays at a very fast pace. Did you notice that there was rarely time to show a replay? Did you notice that the announcers didn't have a chance to introduce the offense until the 3rd possession? I realize that the offense is not designed to hurry all the time, but is designed to be ready to go at any point in time.

Does Iowa sub a lot on defense normally? It doesn't seem like they do and if they don't then there really is no reason to move at a fast pace. This game in particular when we got down by two TDs the defense needed a blow and the offense would not only crap out but crapped out quickly - as much as the defense was to blame the offense wasn't helping. Also, this is not specifically about Iowa this is more about game planning and adjustments.
 
And yet on one of Arnaud's interceptions (either the second or third, I don't remember) he got absolutely crushed as he released the ball.

Perhaps Arnaud had time to make 90% of his throws, but the 4 linemen were wreaking enough havoc such that Iowa didn't have to blitz all day long. When the defense is getting sufficient pressure on the QB with only the 4 linemen that they can drop 7 into coverage, the QB is going to have a bad day.
  1. iowa rarely, if ever, blitzes. They never have and never will until Norm Parker leaves and even then, I doubt they change. iowa rarely stunts but they had to in order to get pressure. Klug had 1 sack and two hurries. All three came off the stunt. Same with Clayborn's hurries. So iowa could not get pressure with their normal rush and changed it up
  2. 44 attempts. two sacks and 4 hurries. 87% of the time, AA had time to throw the ball. After watching the game again. Those stats are a pretty good indicator of the real story. AA had time.
  3. We had GREAT pass protection last year top 20. This year we have GOOD. WE were spoiled last year.
 
Sorry, hurry up or no huddle, but whatever you call it, ISU was calling and running plays at a very fast pace. Did you notice that there was rarely time to show a replay? Did you notice that the announcers didn't have a chance to introduce the offense until the 3rd possession? I realize that the offense is not designed to hurry all the time, but is designed to be ready to go at any point in time.
Did you watch the playclock. We rarely snapped the ball before 10 seconds left. They didn't get to announce the offense because we didn't get a first down. They also don't know when the ball is going to be snapped. The producer took two series to realize that we line up right away but then wait 10-15 secs to snap the ball.

There is a big difference between "hurry up" and "no huddle" and they serve two different purposes. Most of the time we are not in "hurry up" mode. We do change the pace of play but most of the time we do not "hurry up."
 
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But, but, but, if you had to blame JUST ONE player... :spinny:
Exactly. it falls on the poor run blocking, dropped passes, lazy routes and poor passes. It is a team game and it requires a team effort. No one person is to blame. Now, if it is more than one unit not producing consitently, that falls on someone but we are not allowed to question that person...:confused:
 
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Honestly, who hasn't stopped our spread offense. I know we put up 7 w's last year and 1 w this year, But what team has our offense imposed their "will" on? When has our spread ever been unstopable? I'm not ripping on the offense, but it needs to elevate itself to average before it can be unstopable. Other teams d-lines seem to be our teams kryptonite.
 
Honestly, who hasn't stopped our spread offense. I know we put up 7 w's last year and 1 w this year, But what team has our offense imposed their "will" on? When has our spread ever been unstopable? I'm not ripping on the offense, but it needs to elevate itself to average before it can be unstopable. Other teams d-lines seem to be our teams kryptonite.
9 times out of 10 we stop ourselves. Missed blocking assignments, dropped balls, penalties, poor pass...
 

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