Bubu Thread

[klamath632]

It does include the quote from Bubu that I referenced earlier.

"If they would have moved promptly and said we don't want you, I would have understood," Palo said. "I would have gone on my way. "With the timing of the decision, I didn't have a choice."

Bubu is not disputing that he violated the code of conduct. Bubu is not at odds with the decision that Leath handed down and the BOR supported. He is however appealing that based on the timing that the decision was handed down he was left no other course of action but to appeal to the courts if he wanted to play college basketball again and his only option at this point is to play for ISU.

Here we go again. In the sentence you quoted, no he is not disputing that he violated the code of conduct. He isn't affirming it either.

He also isn't reciting Hamlet. Does that make him a Shakespeare hater in your mind?

He has vigorously appealed the decision at every chance. It is quite obvious to me that he doesn't think he violated the code of conduct.

 

[Cyclonestate78]

I still want to know how she avoided having charges brought against her for falsifying evidence. That fact indicates to me she might have some good connections.

It also could indicate that there was enough evidence outside of the tampered blouse that the DA did in fact believe that a sexual assault took place but they couldn't go to trial with their star (and only) witness having her credibility shot to hell. Who knows the reason nothing was done like everything else in this situation... we have nothing really to go off of here to determine what the real story is.

 

[Mtowncyclone13]

It's only a matter of time until her name comes out though imo

I find it hard to believe no one has ever posted her name on any site that can be found by google. unless site administrators are scared of lawsuits it just doesn't seem plausible that in two years no one has ever written her name on the internet.

 

[CYKOFAN]

I'm glad they haven't. No good would come of it.

While I agree with that, it also makes it easier to make false charges, fabricate evidence, etc. knowing your name won't be released.

 

[VeloClone]

I still want to know how she avoided having charges brought against her for falsifying evidence. That fact indicates to me she might have some good connections.

I may be way off base on this, but I think generally prosecutors are loath to press such charges especially where it is thought there may have been merit to the case but it was torpedoed by the stupid decisions of the accuser. It may become a public black eye for them and be portrayed as attacking the "victim" again. If it is clear that it was entirely fabricated, I think they may be more inclined to press charges.

Just my opinion, so swing away, Merrill, swing away.

 

[klamath632]

 

[IAStubborn]

What the **** kind of question is that?

Let me reiterate for the 19th time: THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BUBU PALO OR BASKETBALL!!!!

It has to do with the scope of judicial review of university decisions regarding students and the code of conduct.

That is ISU/BoR position. Bubu is arguing that his right to due process and fairness by the board of regents was violated hence the need for judicial review. ISU has the right to dicipline students but they must follow their process and do so fairly. I don't think they did. However, in the appeal the BoR states Leath can add elements of fact and he did so despite no new evidence being presented. If this is procedurally allowable, Bubu may not have much of a case as Leath can essentially wage a new charge then with no chance to defend. I don't feel that would live up to the spirit of due process but seems to be what the BoR is contending. I don't think any agency should be able to act outside of review of the courts.

 

[Mtowncyclone13]

you clearly never watch SUV."

"arrest the victim, c'mon captain!!"

"just do it"

 

[Cyclonestate78]

Here we go again. In the sentence you quoted, no he is not disputing that he violated the code of conduct. He isn't affirming it either.

He also isn't reciting Hamlet. Does that make him a Shakespeare hater in your mind?

He has vigorously appealed the decision at every chance. It is quite obvious to me that he doesn't think he violated the code of conduct.

That quote to me says that had ISU kicked him off the team prior to the deadline to transfer he would have accepted that decision and been on his way somewhere else. He vigorously appealed the decision because that is now his only chance to play basketball at the collegiate level. Correct?

 

[klamath632]

That quote to me says that had ISU kicked him off the team prior to the deadline to transfer he would have accepted that decision and been on his way somewhere else. He vigorously appealed the decision because that is now his only chance to play basketball at the collegiate level. Correct?

Maybe, maybe not. We'll never know, because Leath tried to use a pocket veto on him.

 

[CYKOFAN]

Too many people know who she is for it to not leak out eventually. Bubu said in a tweet that he could file a lawsuit for lying in court or something along those lines. My guess is he's waiting for this to be sorted out before going after that. Either that or he's just going to drop it. Who knows.

It's only a matter of time until her name comes out though imo

What's sad is that in the Ames article after his junior season, when it appeared he had paid his penalty to the university and this was finally all over with, BuBu said something like it was hard but he's forgiving the girl. Then the whole thing gets stirred up again and now is a bigger mess than ever.

 

[CycloneWanderer]

It also could indicate that there was enough evidence outside of the tampered blouse that the DA did in fact believe that a sexual assault took place but they couldn't go to trial with their star (and only) witness having her credibility shot to hell. Who knows the reason nothing was done like everything else in this situation... we have nothing really to go off of here to determine what the real story is.

How about you just focus on facts? Evidence was fabricated. The alj deemed the penalties "groundless" and the most recent rulings criticized leath and the BoR in their handling of the case. It was admitted that no additional info was used to change the decision. At what point can you start presuming Bubu's innocence?

 

[jkclone]

Man I'm getting a headache from the extremes on both sides.

 

[Judoka]

Too many people know who she is for it to not leak out eventually. Bubu said in a tweet that he could file a lawsuit for lying in court or something along those lines. My guess is he's waiting for this to be sorted out before going after that. Either that or he's just going to drop it. Who knows.

It's only a matter of time until her name comes out though imo

That line of thinking is kind of creepy and supports Leath's argument for kicking Palo off the team. Nobody should be encouraging anyone to post her name or going Internet detective and trying to find it themselves.

 

[CYKOFAN]

It also could indicate that there was enough evidence outside of the tampered blouse that the DA did in fact believe that a sexual assault took place but they couldn't go to trial with their star (and only) witness having her credibility shot to hell. Who knows the reason nothing was done like everything else in this situation... we have nothing really to go off of here to determine what the real story is.

We do know that she lied and tried to fabricate evidence, her story fell apart and the case was dropped. No lesser charges were filed either. We also know she didn't file a civil suit where the burden of proof is much less. We don't know that there is any evidence to support that any kind of a sexual assault occurred, nor have any reason to believe there is such evidence, so speculating that there might more to the real story is completely unfair to BuBu.

 

[Cychotiic]

That line of thinking is kind of creepy and supports Leath's argument for kicking Palo off the team. Nobody should be encouraging anyone to post her name or going Internet detective and trying to find it themselves.

Wut? I was referring To bubu pursuing the falsifying evidence lawsuit, but I forgot about that quote where he said he'd forgiven her, so I doubt it'll happen

 

[ImJustKCClone]

...don't forget not get arrested for fabricating evidence

if "tons" of people know who it is i am curious why no one has ever typed her name, uploaded a facebook picture, etc.

Unless it comes up in civil court (Bubu suing her, for example), or she is arrested for falsifying evidence (I think that ship has sailed), her name will probably not be officially announced.

The only purpose naming her would have right now is retaliation. That doesn't help Bubu or anyone else, so maybe it's best that she remain unidentified publicly unless she ends up in a courtroom on the defendant side of the table.

 

[VeloClone]

That line of thinking is kind of creepy and supports Leath's argument for kicking Palo off the team. Nobody should be encouraging anyone to post her name or going Internet detective and trying to find it themselves.

I'm not sure how dropping the issue 8 months ago would have increased the odds that her name would be published. Quite the opposite, I should think.

 

[IAStubborn]

Bravo, finally someone who understands the big picture here. Very good explanation. :yes:

Kind of. It is not really about their "right to enforce as much as that a stay would prevent their ability to enforce the code. They are arguing that a stay was incorrectly applied since the threshold for winning is so high and the evidence required to prove an error was made was not met. Hence providing an unwarranted stay will remove a punishment for a penalty that they believe is likely to stick. They are not appealing a decision they are just asking for a stay to removed. It is about something bigger (procedure and appropriate use of a stay) but not some grand notion of rights of a university and the power of judicial review as Jamie Pollard statement contends.

 

[Cychotiic]

Unless it comes up in civil court (Bubu suing her, for example), or she is arrested for falsifying evidence (I think that ship has sailed), her name will probably not be officially announced.

The only purpose naming her would have right now is retaliation. That doesn't help Bubu or anyone else, so maybe it's best that she remain unidentified publicly unless she ends up in a courtroom on the defendant side of the table.

This.