You sure America doesn’t want that action? I think we’d gobble that up. If Finebaum were the poster child of this, I think we could make it a national holiday.
Big 12 vs Big Ten Debate
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You sure America doesn’t want that action? I think we’d gobble that up. If Finebaum were the poster child of this, I think we could make it a national holiday.
the Big 12 was mocked even having OU and Texas in the conference....OU and Texas compared to (at the time their SEC counterparts) were not given the benefit of the doubt. Now, OU and Texas got lots of favoritism in the Big 12 but that's going to happen when they're the big brands.
I do find it a little funny how people indicate that Texas was such a big loss to the Big 12.....yes, from an eye balls/revenue perspective, absolutely, but in their nearly three decades of play in the Big 12 to only win the conference 4 times is pretty pathetic for a school that has every advantage known to man. Let it be known that OU dominated the Big 12. I get that things have changed and now Texas seems to be humming and OU is struggling but from a results perspective, OU ran laps around Texas.
the only true embarrassment to this point is Baylor being completely outlclassed by Auburn. Auburn may be halfway decent but they could do anything and everything against Baylor....I personally think Aranda is gonna be shown the door this year
what a lot of people here forget is that the team was very sick. Noel and others didn’t play, Rocco was puking.
This goes for the Louisiana game too. 33 players didn’t practice due to Covid.
Texas finally won the Big 12 in 2023. Their last conference title was 2009. 14 year gap for the program with the greatest resources in the country. It was truly pathetic.
In that same time span, OU won 8 titles. Baylor 3, KState 2, TCU 1, OSU 1.
The conference was dominated by OU. Texas was pretty much a mid-level Big 12 team for about a 12-14 year stretch, and now they rule the SEC.
Yeah aside from the 60s/70s and 00's Texas is basically Texas ATM.
Big brand, not much to show.
And OU often really didn't play very good defense so since they won, the rest of the conference got roped into that narrative.
the best stat is that the first Big 12 team to win a CFP game was TCU and neither of OU or Texas. That is embarrassing for their programs.
I like C&C but this is more of a shock jock stir up controversy discussion than a serious discussion at this point in time. Just because some folks though Baylor would be a BXII contender this year and CU has Deion - like CW constantly points out in all his shows - nobody knows anything concrete in the preseason because of all the transfer movement, and going off of last season is pointless.
TCU demolished an ACC team and Utah demolished a BIG team. Now if Iowa State comes out this week and loses against Iowa, or if Baylor goes into conference play and starts knocking off ASU or Iowa State then sure lets chat. Otherwise its just dumb
TCU demolished an ACC team and Utah demolished a BIG team. Now if Iowa State comes out this week and loses against Iowa, or if Baylor goes into conference play and starts knocking off ASU or Iowa State then sure lets chat. Otherwise its just dumb
It's this.
I really don't think it would have mattered if the Big 12 had won the Baylor and CU games. The lack of previously established brands is the reason the media hates this league, and no amount of winning in the moment will change that.
WAY too soon to bring up this thread topic. Let the season play itself out, then we can have a conversation.
The way people talk about the TCU 2022 team is a perfect example of anti Big 12 bias.
Absolutely NO ONE talks about them taking it to Michigan. It's all couched like they fell into the national title game by default.
People need to ask if Baylor football can win without being a massive criminal rape syndicate.
TCU seems capable of winning legally. The basketball programs have won without criminal scandal. Baylor football has never really shown it. They had a dominant stretch as rapists and were horrible before that stretch and good to average after it.
Ask yourself if the Big 12 teams had a 90 mil dollar payout, how would they perform? You are arguing from a perspective of one league has way more resources allocated to them by a rigged system. Big 10 and SEC fans are bragging or riding around on a high horse a lot because they essentially are born on third base or are starting a 100 yard race at the 50 yard line. And the kicker is programs like Iowa, Purdue, Miss State, Vandy, Kentucky, Indiana, Rutgers, etc..are simply the beneficiary of their conference association. Without the allocations, they have nothing on most of the ACC and Big 12 schools.
Shame that these underdog B12 schools aren't beating the favorites. That conference must be trash.
Something I might repeat in related threads, in some fashion.
Realistically, I won't count on multiple bids for Big 12. We've noted the baked-in perception with preseason rankings, of course. A detail that irks me about non-conference, it's assumed Big 12 has to "prove it" more than SEC & Big Ten, "guilty until proven otherwise." SEC and Big Ten each has more teams that have to lose their way out of position.
I'd love if almost all the Big 12 teams went 3-0 in non-conference, just to see what unfolds. Then one could imagine it shifts to "overall non-league slate was weak, despite a couple of significant wins." Alternatively, "wins weren't dominant enough."
Realistically, I won't count on multiple bids for Big 12. We've noted the baked-in perception with preseason rankings, of course. A detail that irks me about non-conference, it's assumed Big 12 has to "prove it" more than SEC & Big Ten, "guilty until proven otherwise." SEC and Big Ten each has more teams that have to lose their way out of position.
I'd love if almost all the Big 12 teams went 3-0 in non-conference, just to see what unfolds. Then one could imagine it shifts to "overall non-league slate was weak, despite a couple of significant wins." Alternatively, "wins weren't dominant enough."
Yeah I totally agree and as someone who was pretty upset about that game I also was making plenty of excuses for Michigan. TCU didn’t do themselves any favors by immediately getting blasted by Georgia and going 5-7 next season while Michaign went on to win a natty. That just gave more ammo to people who thought that was a fluke.
Even though I thought Michigan got a bunch of bad bounces/calls TCU still put up major points on them and did what they needed to in order to win.
The problem the Big 12 faces is typically not performance on the field. It's the fact we have smaller population bases, and our alumni aren't over all of the legacy media companies.
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This is why I'm baffled at the support for the 5+11 CFP model. All it does is open the door for ESPN and their committee to stockpile more B1G and SEC at-large teams. It would be way smarter to go with the 2 autobids IMO.
People mention TCU getting blown out, forgetting that on that night Georgia played an almost perfect game, and they would have blown out anyone with their level of talent. That night it just so happened to be TCU that got it, Michigan would not have faired any better.
Just to set the record straight, Two Guys on Iowa Everywhere is a great podcast. I was not trying to insinuate otherwise. If it currently is not in your rotation and you are a huge Cyclone or Hawkeye fan you should be listening. One of my favorite podcasts right now.
Hassel you could tell was just waiting to stir the pot with the Big 12 talk. Iowa State, Kansas, Arizona State, BYU and even Baylor need to represent this weekend against other high profile P4 teams. If Okie State could not lay down at Oregon that would help as well.
Hassel you could tell was just waiting to stir the pot with the Big 12 talk. Iowa State, Kansas, Arizona State, BYU and even Baylor need to represent this weekend against other high profile P4 teams. If Okie State could not lay down at Oregon that would help as well.
