KidSilverhair
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Anybody who doesn’t realize more at-large spots just means multiple 8-4 B1G/SEC teams in the playoff - most of them somehow seeded above the Big XII/ACC champions - isn’t paying attention.
Big 12 vs Big Ten Debate
- Thread starter ForeverIowan
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And for what it is worth, take away Ohio State, if there was a Big Ten/Big 12 challenge next weekend on neutral fields, I like the Big 12 to hold their own and be around a split in the below games.
Penn State/Arizona State
Oregon/Utah
Illinois/Iowa State
Indiana/Texas Tech
Michigan/TCU
USC/BYU
Iowa/Kansas
Wisconsin/Kansas State
Penn State/Arizona State
Oregon/Utah
Illinois/Iowa State
Indiana/Texas Tech
Michigan/TCU
USC/BYU
Iowa/Kansas
Wisconsin/Kansas State
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You know poaching our four top teams and still our best remaining team beat your best team to play for a natty is pretty good. No way we poach your top four teams and lose like you lost to us.
I'm afraid getting national respect for Big XII will be an uphill battle. If you go to the the College Football tab in USA Today Sports there are buttons for "Big 10 Sports" and "SEC Sports".
It's possible to break through but it requires going undefeated and/or winning a major bowl game. Without blueblood resources, it's hard to maintain that over time. Even the elites have their down periods, but they're still elites because they still have the resources to come back. I don't think any league should automatically receive a certain number of invites. It depends on how the league shapes up in a particular year. If the Big XII has two undefeated or one-loss teams playing for the conference championship, they should both receive bids. And, I think the Big XII should receive an automatic bid every year. We shouldn't be competing with someone like Boise State for one bid.
Agree but even that map is kind of misleading...and not in a good way for the Big 12 population footprint. The map is probably painting a more rosy picture for B12 footprint than reality.
It makes Iowa look more populated than Washington and Colorado as one example. Combine the 0-1 and 1-5 colors and you probably get more accurate perception to reality (all the gray goes yellow).
It makes California seem kind of empty when my county in CA has more people than 39 individual states have.
Under all proposals the league champion is going to get a bid, that is not going to go away. The question then becomes how many other bids does each league get. The 5-11 will end up with most of those bids going to the B10 and SEC, while the other proposal locked in 2 bids each for the ACC and B12, while giving the B10 and SEC 4 each. I will take 2 bids every year rather than gambling that the league will get 3 teams in every now and then, because otherwise we will only get 1 bid most years.
First, When in the history of conference challenges has the best team not participated?
Makes a huge difference in overall slotting. But I still don’t think ASU or Utah would really be competitive in those match ups. Every other game I think would be fun.
It exists here to support the argument that the B10 isn't head and shoulders above anyone outside of their top team. We're speeding toward a path that'll let an 8-4 B10 team (2024 iowa) into the playoff above a 10-2 or 9-3 B12 team.
Yeah of course OSU, PSU, UO belong in the playoff. The middle of the conference isn't any better than the B12
The premise of the entire thread is the rest of the Big Ten is propped up by Ohio State. Congrats to Iowa fans and the rest of the Big Ten on the accomplishments of the Buckeyes I suppose. The Big Ten also has 18 teams as compared to 16 for the Big 12. That also makes a difference in overall slotting when comparing the top tier teams.
Arizona State throttled 11 win Iowa State in the Big 12 title game and shoud have beat Texas in the playoffs. Penn State isnt Ohio State. That game would be conpetitve. Im high on Utah and suspect Oregon might be a bit down this year but time will tell. All of the other games would be coin flips.
Not quite. It's their money train. They spent so much darned money, they'll spin an angle any way they can to get that money back. Furthermore they have the air time to do so. IMO, that's antitrust. Certainly, from a propaganda and advertisement standpoint.
Yeah the Buckeyes really went all out two years ago propping up Michigan when they won the natty.
I realized the argument was pointless when the Big 12 runner up TCU beat the Big 10 champion in the playoff and Big 10 fans still thought they were the superior conference that year.
It’s funny that you post this when about three poss before you the same argument is being made about ASU vs Texas lol
The talent gap between the top 4 and the rest of the B10 is considerable. You need to look no further than the recruiting rankings and the amount of NFL players produced.
Look I absolutely despise Penn St and think they should’ve been given the death penalty for what happened under Joe Pa but their talent is just that much better than everyone in the conference not named OSU, Michigan and Oregon.
Once you get past those 4 teams it drops off to pretty indiscernible from B12 level talent.
Michigan is not there anymore - they have fallen off quickly after Harbaugh left and now with Moore as HC.
They have been replaced in the pecking order with Indiana.
Having a two possession game against the Lobos in the fourth quarter is proof of your statement.
I don't know what that argument is but it's pretty clear the Big 10 and SEC think they are vastly superior to the Big 12 which is not the case. Good news for your conference is you have the media protecting it, no one defends the Big 12 on national TV because they are protecting their television partners. Just the reality of business.
It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t scenario.
The 5+11 will be loaded with SEC/B1G and whomever the sports media has anointed as the others. At least there’s an appearance of fairness even though we know it’s stacked that way.
The 4+4+2+2 is an outright admission that the XII and ACC are 2nd class citizens. We admit it and we are saying it out loud.
I think we have to favor the 5+11 until something breaks. Signing away our fate to the 2nd tier locks us there. We’ve officially handed the keys to the “P2” at that point.
I wonder what it would take for a massive class action suit against the P2 if they were to breakaway and dozens of D1 schools lost revenue as a result. The billable hours would be insane.
A 3+3+3+3+At Large would be most fair for P4. But I don’t see the P2 moving an inch.
