Big 12 vs Big Ten Debate

[ForeverIowan]

I was listening to Two Guys Named Chris on Iowa Everywhere earlier today and there was discussion regarding the Big 12 should only be a 1 bid team to the CFP because they did not fare well in week 1 games against other P4 conferences.

Ok...so a bottom half of the league Cinci took Nebraska to the wire with 80,000 Cornhusker fans in the stands. Colorado (who is clearly trying to rebuild and will likely finish near the bottom of the Big 12) also takes GTech to the wire. And Baylor craps the bed against Auburn. All other Big 12 teams win and the majority of them blowout wins. Utah dominates UCLA and TCU currently taking it to UNC. IMO, Colorado, Cincy, and possibly even Baylor are all bottom half Big 12 teams this year. Lets see how upper half Big 12 teams look this week (Iowa/Iowa State, Kansas/Mizzou, Arizona State/Miss St, Stanford/BYU) and lets talk.

Meanwhile, in the Big Ten, UCLA gets absolutely throttled at home against Utah and Northwestern is laughed off the field by Tulane! And the Big Ten gets a pass...why? Simple. They get a pass because of Ohio State.

My question...take Ohio State away and who is the better conference this year top to bottom?

 

[SCNCY]

Perception. It’s as simple as that. The media narrative is that because the Big12 doesn’t have a couple flagship name brands, we’re automatically weaker as a whole.

 

[HFCS]

Perception. It’s as simple as that. The media narrative is that because the Big12 doesn’t have a couple flagship name brands, we’re automatically weaker as a whole.

Per the committee Colorado should be ranked ahead of Georgia Tech the entire season by 5-10 spots even though GT beat them in Boulder..

That's exactly what they did when BYU beat SMU on the road and had the same record all season yet trailed them majorly in every ranking.

It's not even pro-SEC/Big Ten bias...it's just total stupid anti-Big 12 hatred. There's no reason to be so irrationally pumping up SMU over BYU, SMU isn't even the bigger "brand".

 

[cyphoon]

Their logic is flawed. No one would argue that the SEC deserves more bids than the B1G if Georgia were to beat Minnesota or Northwestern

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[JP4CY]

Penn St, Ohio St, and Oregon are going to be playoff contenders for sure.
I think the top end of that league is really good.

Bottom end...Oklahoma St at Oregon will tell us a lot. I think that could get really ugly.
Northwestern looks terrible.

 

[Gonzo]

I was listening to Two Guys Named Chris on Iowa Everywhere earlier today and there was discussion regarding the Big 12 should only be a 1 bid team to the CFP because they did not fare well in week 1 games against other P4 conferences.

Ok...so a bottom half of the league Cinci took Nebraska to the wire with 80,000 Cornhusker fans in the stands. Colorado (who is clearly trying to rebuild and will likely finish near the bottom of the Big 12) also takes GTech to the wire. And Baylor craps the bed against Auburn. All other Big 12 teams win and the majority of them blowout wins. Utah dominates UCLA and TCU currently taking it to UNC. IMO, Colorado, Cincy, and possibly even Baylor are all bottom half Big 12 teams this year. Lets see how upper half Big 12 teams look this week (Iowa/Iowa State, Kansas/Mizzou, Arizona State/Miss St, Stanford/BYU) and lets talk.

Meanwhile, in the Big Ten, UCLA gets absolutely throttled at home against Utah and Northwestern is laughed off the field by Tulane! And the Big Ten gets a pass...why? Simple. They get a pass because of Ohio State.

My question...take Ohio State away and who is the better conference this year top to bottom?

The B1G.

 

[cydnote]

The Big 12

Who do you guys like better, me or Gonzo?

 

[Marcelason78]

I was listening to Two Guys Named Chris on Iowa Everywhere earlier today and there was discussion regarding the Big 12 should only be a 1 bid team to the CFP because they did not fare well in week 1 games against other P4 conferences.…..

Week one and they are having this discussion? Glad I missed it.

 

[Gonzo]

The Big 12

Who do you guys like better, me or Gonzo?

A+

 

[HFCS]

Penn St, Ohio St, and Oregon are going to be playoff contenders for sure.
I think the top end of that league is really good.

Bottom end...Oklahoma St at Oregon will tell us a lot. I think that could get really ugly.
Northwestern looks terrible.

Middle of leagues are similar and maybe even Big 12 clearly better. Bottom comparable.

As long as Ohio State is at this level the top is not comparable. I'm not totally convinced the others at the top are much better. Texas needed a blown call to beat ASU in the playoff. At any given time there are only 3-4 programs humming along at the level Ohio State has been the past few years. Look at Alabama, suddenly they don't seem like one of those.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

You have FOX pushing the B10 narrative, while ESPN is doing the same with the SEC and a less degree with the ACC. What hurts the B12 is that we have no network pushing our stories out to the public. Not having any flag ships brands hurts the conference, but that does not mean that a team or two in the B12 cannot rise up and take that mantle. Utah won the Pac 12 championships the few years before the league folded, so it's not always about the USC and Oregons of the world.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I was listening to Two Guys Named Chris on Iowa Everywhere earlier today and there was discussion regarding the Big 12 should only be a 1 bid team to the CFP because they did not fare well in week 1 games against other P4 conferences.

Ok...so a bottom half of the league Cinci took Nebraska to the wire with 80,000 Cornhusker fans in the stands. Colorado (who is clearly trying to rebuild and will likely finish near the bottom of the Big 12) also takes GTech to the wire. And Baylor craps the bed against Auburn. All other Big 12 teams win and the majority of them blowout wins. Utah dominates UCLA and TCU currently taking it to UNC. IMO, Colorado, Cincy, and possibly even Baylor are all bottom half Big 12 teams this year. Lets see how upper half Big 12 teams look this week (Iowa/Iowa State, Kansas/Mizzou, Arizona State/Miss St, Stanford/BYU) and lets talk.

Meanwhile, in the Big Ten, UCLA gets absolutely throttled at home against Utah and Northwestern is laughed off the field by Tulane! And the Big Ten gets a pass...why? Simple. They get a pass because of Ohio State.

My question...take Ohio State away and who is the better conference this year top to bottom?

The pass is because UCLA and Northwestern are expected to finish bottom of the conference. Very few teams are judged by the bottom of the conference especially with how absurdly large the conferences are now. The big 12 is only being judged by people who hate the big12 who you shouldn’t be giving engagement to

The TCU win will play well as people wrongly think bill belicheck has anything left in the tank but it’s also just week 1. Podcasts and talk shows need something to talk about, you shouldn’t take any of it seriously in week 1 when very few real games have been played

 

[StPaulCyclone]

Penn St, Ohio St, and Oregon are going to be playoff contenders for sure.
I think the top end of that league is really good.

Bottom end...Oklahoma St at Oregon will tell us a lot. I think that could get really ugly.
Northwestern looks terrible.

Okie State lost their QB who looked very good. It’ll be a blood bath.

 

[HFCS]

You have FOX pushing the B10 narrative, while ESPN is doing the same with the SEC and a less degree with the ACC. What hurts the B12 is that we have no network pushing our stories out to the public. Not having any flag ships brands hurts the conference, but that does not mean that a team or two in the B12 cannot rise up and take that mantle. Utah won the Pac 12 championships the few years before the league folded, so it's not always about the USC and Oregons of the world.

I know this isn't how it works right now, but I'd love a version of reality where TNT/HBO is just our thing or at least our big games and smaller games could be on other networks. Get their own studio where they don't hate the Big 12 and point out idiocy like SMU being ranked above BYU last year (why isn't Colorado better than G Tech today?)

TNT handled the NBA as well as any network has ever handled any sport. The one game we saw went well right out of the gate, and HBO is actually an awesome app, not some piece of crap like Peacock you're forcing people to subscribe to for football only.

 

[ForeverIowan]

Penn St, Ohio St, and Oregon are going to be playoff contenders for sure.
I think the top end of that league is really good.

Bottom end...Oklahoma St at Oregon will tell us a lot. I think that could get really ugly.
Northwestern looks terrible

Ohio State is clearly a top 3 program in the country and an absolute powerhouse.

Take away Ohio State and I think the Big Ten is a bit better at the top. Worse in the middle and a lot worse at the bottom. Rutgers, Northwestern and UCLA arent showing up on Big 12 schedules.

 

[ClonerJams]

Big 10 is very top heavy with Ohio State, Penn State, and Oregon. Then they have the unknowns with Michigan and USC. The top of the Big 10 wins hands down, no question. After that though, the Big 12 has a lot of interesting teams that could make noise in the playoff. Utah looked really good, Arizona State was a missed targeting call from beating Texas last year, ISU looks good so far, Texas Tech spent more money than anyone else, TCU is looking good right now, and who knows with BYU.

 

[bluestarcyclone]

Per the committee Colorado should be ranked ahead of Georgia Tech the entire season by 5-10 spots even though GT beat them in Boulder..

That's exactly what they did when BYU beat SMU on the road and had the same record all season yet trailed them majorly in every ranking.

It's not even pro-SEC/Big Ten bias...it's just total stupid anti-Big 12 hatred. There's no reason to be so irrationally pumping up SMU over BYU, SMU isn't even the bigger "brand".

Could add some of the G5 teams in that as well that get pushed way higher than they should be.

If i were the tinfoil hat-wearing type i'd say that kind of inflation is intentional to increase the chances to end up with P2 teams in the final 2\4 games, where a Big 12 team has a higher chance of ruining the party the way TCU did a few years back.

 

[madguy30]

The Big 12 missing the star power (OU, UT) hurts but there's all sorts of examples of it not mattering what the B12 has done in football or men's basketball for a long time now.

 

[ForeverIowan]

The pass is because UCLA and Northwestern are expected to finish bottom of the conference. Very few teams are judged by the bottom of the conference especially with how absurdly large the conferences are now. The big 12 is only being judged by people who hate the big12 who you shouldn’t be giving engagement to

The TCU win will play well as people wrongly think bill belicheck has anything left in the tank but it’s also just week 1. Podcasts and talk shows need something to talk about, you shouldn’t take any of it seriously in week 1 when very few real games have been played

That is my point entirely. Iowa State, Utah, Arizona State, Texas Tech, Kansas, TCU, BYU likely the class of the Big 12 this year. If they look like dog crap against other P4 conferences I am all ears.

Of course Ohio St, Penn St and Oregon arent judged by Northwestern, Rutgers or UCLA. Its irrelevant. Lets stop putting a stigma on the Big 12 based on results from Big 12 teams who will not be in the Big 12 race.

 

[HFCS]

The pass is because UCLA and Northwestern are expected to finish bottom of the conference. Very few teams are judged by the bottom of the conference especially with how absurdly large the conferences are now. The big 12 is only being judged by people who hate the big12 who you shouldn’t be giving engagement to

The TCU win will play well as people wrongly think bill belicheck has anything left in the tank but it’s also just week 1. Podcasts and talk shows need something to talk about, you shouldn’t take any of it seriously in week 1 when very few real games have been played

Where do you think Cincy and Colorado are projected in Big 12? (hint: not toward the top)

If Cincy and Colorado barely losing close games right in line with the spread was horrible, UCLA getting their doors blown off is more horrible.

The unbridled hatred in the media has no problem looking at mid to mid low Big 12 teams and saying the conference sucks because they barely lost to Big Ten and ACC teams.

Baylor for some reason irrationally had high odds to win the Big 12, I don't know why as every B12 expert scratches their head over it.